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To: Nathan Zachary
There is a considerable body of scholarship that suggest Mohammad never existed, at least as the charasmatic prophet figure of Islamic lore. See this Pipes article:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/333 and this longer treatment: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/333
9 posted on 02/08/2006 9:43:46 AM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Sorry the other citation is:

http://skeptically.org/enlightenment/id3.html


10 posted on 02/08/2006 9:44:43 AM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat
Thanks for the links. There no no doubt at all that the koran and hadith are made up by "scholars" ( who probably didn't make it past grade 4) along the way. In fact, during the time Muhammad was supposed to have lived, Arabic wasn't even a spoken language, never mind a written one.

Early written Arabic didn't emerge until around the 9th century. Ishaq however, is the earliest account of the life of Muhammad, myth or real, and even that doesn't exist in it's entirety, much of it has been edited out by later "scholars" because it was too embarasing. So we have to rely on Tabari,and Hisham and assume they included all of Ishaq's work, which we know Hisham didn't.. Bukari and Muslim (his student) came much later and added their own work, edited some of the earlier. For a supposedly recent "prohet" nothing survives that can prove his existence, which is odd.

There certainly wasn't a "koran" handed down around in Muhammads lifetime, as Muslims try to insist. Nobody even heard of Moe while he was alive, only later after Muhammad died and Muhammadans began slaughtering their way across the ME did they become aware of Islam.

12 posted on 02/08/2006 10:15:26 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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