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To: Joe Brower

My parking lot is no less my property than my home is, my rights are not lessened by the fact that I don't sleep in my parking lot.

There is no overlap of rights here, there is however a willingness by "conservatives" to violate a very basic principle of conservatism.


93 posted on 02/10/2006 12:38:26 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"There is no overlap of rights here"

You keep saying that, Luis, but in fact the point remains debatable.

David Osbourne made a good point in how not allowing firearms at a destination (for example, your place of business) infringes a person's ability to carry to and from that destination, something that an employee at aforementioned business would have to contend with every day.

What is your answer to this specific example?

97 posted on 02/10/2006 1:07:13 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
There is no overlap of rights here, there is however a willingness by "conservatives" to violate a very basic principle of conservatism.

All this started when a large corporation in Oklahoma brought in dogs to sniff through their workers vehicles. They "hit" on several vehicles, and the company then conducted a search of those vehicles. They found some guns and fired the workers that had them in their vehicles. The OK legislature then acted to put an end to this nonsense.

Does being a "conservative" now mean supporting multinational corporations conducting Soviet-style invasions of privacy against their workers?

The truth is that this is NOT something that should happen in America. Corporations shouldn't be able to rifle through their workers vehicles any more than they should be able to dictate who they vote for, or who they sleep with. Of course, you could argue "contract law" to defend any of the above. But when contract law unduly infringes upon individual Rights, the state has the power and the obligation to step in and stop it.

You cannot contract away your basic Rights. Period.

113 posted on 02/10/2006 2:09:58 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Not really, if you own the lot then allow customers and employees to park on then you have allowed them to bring their private property on your property. You do not have the right to say what private belongings they may have in their car as long as those items are not prohibited by law. You do not have the right of search and siezure even on your property since that conflicts with the right of a person to be secure from assault. Tecnically search can be assault. As a business owner many property rights are circumscribed by common law.


366 posted on 02/11/2006 3:30:53 PM PST by Rhiannon
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