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To: KoRn
Almost impulsively, whenever someone wants to allow, by law, firearms to be permitted somewhere, they are all for it. Be damned any deeper thought.

And equally impulsively, there is a contigent of posters here who can't lick the boots of their corporate masters quickly enough.

As for "deeper thought", I've engaged in this while studying the various gun edicts across the US. It is damned near impossible to "legally" carry a gun across the US, even with a concealed carry permit. Some states open carry is legal, but concealed is not. In other states, concealed carry is legal, but open carry is not. In a few states, "open" means "concealed", to add confusion. And in other states, both open and concealed carry are illegal.

If that isn't enough, you now have the problem of transitioning from open to concealed or vice versa. That means pulling off the interstate in a fairly remote area so you can't be seen by others and accused of brandishing your weapon. Now in some states, if you are legally carrying, you must inform a police officer upon any contact. If you fail to do so, you can be arrested and taken to jail. However, if you are illegally carrying, there is no requirement to inform the officer, since that would violate constitional protections against self-incrimination (at least that Right hasn't been trampled on yet).

If that wasn't enough, you must also know the locations in each state that are "off limits" to carry. Banks are legal in some states, but not in others. Some states allow carry in restaurants, but not the bar areas of restaurants. Some states ban carry in any restaurant that serves alcohol, but don't have laws against carrying after you had a beer or two. At least one state bans carry if you are taking any prescription medicine.

I could go on and on and on. My point is that a Right is useless if you can't easily exercise it. If all the gov't infringements weren't bad enough, now we have multinational corporations employing dogs to snoop through their workers vehicles and firing those with guns. So even if you manage to follow all the state edicts regarding guns, now you have to worry about an anti-gun bureacrat firing you. That's not America. That's some perverted combination of the beginnings of the USSR, 1984, and Nazi Germany.

The NRA is finally doing something meaningful and all these "pro gun" people are now coming here griping about it. Grow a spine and stand up for your Rights! Stop being such a chump! I get the impression from reading this thread that if many posters were alive back in 1774, all king George would have had to do is to declare the colonies a corporation, and himself CEO, and they would have submitted to all forms of tyranny.

264 posted on 02/10/2006 10:38:10 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mulder
I get the impression from reading this thread that if many posters were alive back in 1774, all king George would have had to do is to declare the colonies a corporation, and himself CEO, and they would have submitted to all forms of tyranny.

My friend, in essence, that is exactly what he did. And in doing so, one of the things he did was to compel the colonists, at force of arms, for them to allow his Redcoats, armed, into their homes and property against their will. They rebelled against that, just like they rebel;led against him taking their arms.

Anyhow, I have stated my thoughts and feelings on this. I do not support a law that compels private property owners to allow people to come armed onto their property if that is against their will. That is the issue. Arms are not being banned, their right to keep and bear arms is not being infringed. They are free to either go elsewhere or knowingly violate said request...bearing the burden in that case of the responsibility of the consequences.

I do not agree with such businesses, and would avoid them and boycott them...or simply carry anyway and then accept responsibility for that act if found out. Like in the large National Parks. I carry there, even though they say don't. I do so to protect my own in those wilds...and would willingly pay the fine rather than lose a child.

Anyhow...goodnight all.

270 posted on 02/10/2006 11:41:17 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Mulder
"I could go on and on and on. My point is that a Right is useless if you can't easily exercise it. If all the gov't infringements weren't bad enough, now we have multinational corporations employing dogs to snoop through their workers vehicles and firing those with guns. So even if you manage to follow all the state edicts regarding guns, now you have to worry about an anti-gun bureacrat firing you. That's not America. That's some perverted combination of the beginnings of the USSR, 1984, and Nazi Germany."<
I got news for you your relationship with your employer is "at will" if your employer finds out you have taken up sky diving, or just purchased a motorcycle he can fire you. The employer even has the right to investigate your lifestyle, {outside of protected practices such as religion, gender etc..}and if it doesn't suit him......out the door you go.
274 posted on 02/11/2006 4:04:51 AM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: Mulder
I agree with 98% if what you have to say. I have a carry permit, even though I don't think I should be required to, but thats another discussion. I'm just advocating the right for an employer or property owner to have some control over what's allowed on their work sites and what isn't. I do sympathize with your position on this, just a difference of opinion I guess. :)
278 posted on 02/11/2006 5:32:08 AM PST by KoRn
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