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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis Gonzalez argued recently:

--- we govern according to what the Constitution says.

It says that Amendments apply to the States, and that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


Luis, Article VI goes on to say that all officials "-- shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support this Constitution; --"

Do you disagree with this principle?
>Have you ever served in any official capacity, been a member of the armed forces, or a naturalized citizen?

-- All of us have sworn that oath.. -- Would you refuse on the basis that "-- I, on the other hand, as a private citizen, am not bound by the Constitution. --"?

That Constitution does not give you the right to violate my rights as a property owner,

I'm not 'violating' anything. -- See #117. You required employees & invited customers to park on your lot. Deal with it.

and my right as an individual to my property and my person is as inviolate as your right to be protected from the government disallowing you to bear arms. We are discussing individual liberties here.

Yes luis, we are. Why do you want to infringe on your employees liberty to carry a gun in their car?

The right of the individual who owns the parking lot, and the right of the individual who owns the gun. When are the individual rights of all best served? Are they better served when the individual who owns the property makes the free decision not to allow guns in his property, and the individual who owns the gun makes the decision to not enter the property without his gun, or are individual rights better served when the many (those not owning that parking lot) use the force of government to violate the individual rights of the few (parking lot owners)?

What 'right' of yours is violated by employees guns locked in their cars?

You best defend that Constitution when you disallow the government from violating the individual rights of the citizens, not when you facilitate the violation of those rights by the many acting in concert with the government.

Babble on luis. You have no constitutional position to infringe on your peers RKBA's.
Have you ever served in any official capacity, been a member of the armed forces, or a naturalized citizen?

-- All of us have sworn that oath.. -- Would you refuse on the basis that "-- I, on the other hand, as a private citizen, am not bound by the Constitution. --"?

132 posted on 02/10/2006 2:41:41 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
"You have no constitutional position to infringe on your peers RKBA's."

I'm not.

You have no right to impose your will on my property.

"You required employees & invited customers to park on your lot. Deal with it."

You are not required to accept my job!

You are not required to drive to work, let alone park someplace.

You are not "invited" in my parking lot, you are allowed access.

135 posted on 02/10/2006 2:45:10 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: tpaine
"Why do you want to infringe on your employees liberty to carry a gun in their car?"

They don't have to accept my job and the wages that come with the job if they don't like my workplace rules.

137 posted on 02/10/2006 2:48:02 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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