[neverdem]

IIRC, the Chamber of Commerce likes open borders too. It appears to be another reason not to be registered and vote against the dems. It's small wonder that voter turnout is so abysmal.

[neverdem]

BANG!

[massgopguy]

And my boss would know there is a gun in my trunk how?

[rarestia]

This legislation makes sense to me, but I've never worked for an employer with a strict no-gun regulations extending into their parking lot. What they don't know, won't hurt them, I suppose, and besides, the 2A guarantees me a right to have that firearm. Not taking it into the workplace to honor the policies of my company is my choice.

[taxcontrol]

I'm pro 2nd and pro business. The better path would be to require business to choose either an allow or prohibit posture.

If the businesses adopts an allow policy, then the business is exempt from lawsuits resulting from an employee's misuse of the firearm.

If the business adopts a prohibit posture, then they are subject to being sued if the employee is unable to protect themselves with a firearm while on business property.

[stuartcr]

How would this work on a military base, or federal property?

[absolootezer0]

i'm glad one of the things MI is pretty good on is their gun laws. MI recognizes that your vehicle is your personal property, and that you may have you gun in your vehicle anywhere. including schools, courts, police stations, and everywhere else.

[Dead Corpse]

Extension of the "castle doctrine". It's only logical. The employer owns everything from the tar on down. Everything from the tires on up is mine. I need the tools requisite to ensure my safety on my way too and from the job site.

Why this is even an issue is a measure of how far out of fashion common sense has fallen.

[weegee]

ACLU urges bill to permit free speech in cars at work.

NAACP urges bill to permit civil rights in cars at work.

It is ridiculous to believe that they should be abridging your rights to begin with.

Once you step INTO the office, it is a different story. If they don't trust employees and want to keep the building safe, make everyone enter through a metal detector. And a suggestion, don't terminate 7+ year employees with new families AND give the CEO a $50million golden parachute when he is fired. There are ways to avoid violence in the workplace altogether other than telling workers they must find other ways to defend themselves on their daily commute.

And isn't it terminated employees that do most of these shootings? What makes anyone think the criminal ex-employee is going to obey their RULES anyway?

[Redbob]

"Bill sponsor Rep. Dennis Baxley, an Ocala Republican, said he filed the legislation..."

What, you mean it wasn't the NRA that actually filed the legislation?
</sarcasm>

[adam_az]

Go NRA! This is why I pay my dues.

Unless an employer owns the cars their employees drive to work, it's none of their business whether any legal object or another is in them.

[Kelly_2000]

"TALLAHASSEE - The National Rifle Association is pushing a bill that would penalize Florida employers with prison time and lawsuits if they prohibit people from keeping guns in their cars at workplace parking lots. "

its about time......

[Kenton]

I am very pro-2nd Amendment, but I don't think this has a chance. Businesses already restrict employees' right to freedom of speech pretty effectively, which would imply to me that property rights do trump other rights. As another example, Peta can demonstrate against furs outside a store on the public sidewalk, but if they try to go inside the store and commit mischief, property rights rule and they can be arrested.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Working for a company isn't a right, it's always subject to the company's rules.

A person who feels strongly enough about this particular wrinkle on the issue can always choose to terminate the relationship if they can't abide by what the company demands of them.

Having said that, let me also admit that I don't have a carry permit and so I'm not affected by this issue the way that some people are. About the only time this is an issue for me is on Friday afternoons during hunting season.

On the other hand, I'm always in favor of the NRA keeping the pressure on, even if I'm not directly affected. But I don't think this is a horse I'd bet on.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Prison terms is going a bit far. I would think stiff fines would do the trick. And the private property issue isn't one to be taken lightly. However, if employers are allowed to require that guns be kept in a locked vehicle, and not visible, that's not much of an imposition on the employers, compared to the imposition on employees of they're not permitted to keep their guns in their cars while at work, since that effectively prevents people from having their guns with them while travelling on public roads between work and home. And where are the liability suits from people who were held up or worse, and couldn't defend themselves, because of their employer's no-guns-on-our-property rule?

[TChris]

I can see some solid legal reasoning for this. Your vehicle is treated as "portable private property" by the law, isn't it? As long as the firearm is in your car, shouldn't that be legally viewed as being on your property, not the business'? (Something like a foreign embassy on American soil.)

I'm no lawyer or law student, but it makes sense to me.

[Mulder]

Check out this thread.

Some folks here have no problems with big corporations doing the "dirty work" (i.e., gun-grabbing) of the state.

[KoRn]

I'm a member of the NRA, own lots of guns, and support The Second Amendment whole heartedly. I TOTALLY disagree with this. I think a property owner, such as a business owner has a right to decide what goes on his property and what doesn't, just as people have the right to carry firearms.

To make this clear. Sure someone has the right to free speech, and can insult me, but they don't have the right to do it in my front yard.....

[RightWinger]

My employer prohibits guns on company property (work rule) but what he doesn't know won't hurt me!

South Carolina needs to pass this law too.

[BigCinBigD]

Ping for later.

[Young Scholar]

I oppose this legislation as a violation of property rights and the freedom to make contracts, but if they pass it, they'd better include a provision protecting the employer if an employee harms someone with a gun while on the job.

[yarddog]

I am something of a fanatic on property rights. I do not believe in zoning ordinaces or any of the environmental regs which will not allow you to use your own land.

Of course we all agree that no right is absolute. There are cases of conflicting rights and also situations of health and safety.

I agree with such laws which forbid open sewage, or conditons which cause rat or mosquito infestations, etc.

I think an employer who seeks to ban guns in vehicles on his property is simply wrong, even to the extent of being evil.

What I have in my car unless it is something which is an immediate threat to him such as a bomb or container of anthrax is none of his business: period.

It is the exact same thing as saying you may not bring a car onto his parking lot which contains emergency gear.

His parking lot is his property but it is not private. If it is accessable to the general public, he has no right to make unreasonable demands on those who enter.

The inside of my car is private. I have no idea how the courts view it but inside my car should be considered just like inside my house.