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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: ClassConscious
I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives.

Just as a side bar, have you ever get a job from a working class person, or a poor person for that matter?.

Your highly touted Micheal A. Perutka seems to me like the mirror image of Khomeini sans Islam, just add the cannons of Christianity.

We are a Nation founded with Christian believes in a secular type of federal Government who does not endorse, or respect an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; (see Amendment 1).

As for been a "Conservative Communist" that is a stretch I never walked...let me think about it!

341 posted on 02/06/2006 10:04:15 PM PST by danmar ("Reason obeys itself,and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it....... Thomas Paine)
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To: ClassConscious

BTW, about the gun issue.

Watching Rosie O'Donnell blame me for Columbine (15 miles from my home) because I own a firearm is what began my conservative journey. I had no interest in politics until that happened.

So, THANKS, ROSIE!


342 posted on 02/06/2006 10:04:25 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg
Oh! I forgot about that as well.

That's happened to me in the past...that's why I remember it now :)

343 posted on 02/06/2006 10:04:31 PM PST by jellybean (George Allen 2008)
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To: FredZarguna

I have not read Road to Serfdom but I have been told to read that by the more well-read conservatives I know. I am very interested in all economic writers, I will be reading some Milton Friedman books as well.

Obviously, I have read a lot of Paul Krugman, and I like a lot of what he sees, but one flaw of his I've noticed is he tends to have opinions on things he doesn't really know about. I often think he should stick to giving opinions on his expertise, currency crises and leave his opinions on matters he knows less of off the pages of the NY Times.

I will read Road to Serfdom, you're not the first to suggest it. One question - you have talked about government and economics. What do you think about rank-and-file leaning unions striking, what's your view on that? I'm curious since you said you were a shop steward.


344 posted on 02/06/2006 10:07:35 PM PST by ClassConscious
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To: jellybean

Yeah, but it's happened to me as well. And I DIDN'T remember it.

Being inflicted with CRS is a real pain at times.


345 posted on 02/06/2006 10:07:51 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: ClassConscious
I guess if there's an event that pushed my thinking left economically, it was the stock crash and recession.

You need to keep in mind that the stock market is not what defines "capitalism". The stock market is merely legal gambling on corporate horse races.

"Capitalism" is the freedom to open up your own Mom and Pop business without having the Government arrest you and the freedom to succeed or fail in your own business.

346 posted on 02/06/2006 10:08:01 PM PST by Polybius
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To: jellybean

Thank you, jellybean....I'll make sure to remember that from now on.


347 posted on 02/06/2006 10:08:34 PM PST by Zerano
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To: ClassConscious
Obviously, I have read a lot of Paul Krugman, and I like a lot of what he sees, but one flaw of his I've noticed is he tends to have opinions on things he doesn't really know about.

Yeah, but that's what makes him so FUNNY!
348 posted on 02/06/2006 10:09:24 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Congressman Billybob; ClassConscious

John Taylor Gatto's articles and books are a good place to get some background on how public schools developed. Here is a link to his online history of education in the US.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm


349 posted on 02/06/2006 10:10:21 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: ClassConscious
My stocks had gone up a lot, when they got down to 200% I sold half so I wouldn't lose my original investment. Of course, the half I held onto went to 0, or near it. But I kept my original investment, many friends lost a lot, or even bought on credit and were in worse shape than those who just lost. Following this was unemployment in IT.

Hilarious! The big, bad CAPITALIST market spanked you; so you went commie? I bet Peter and Warren had to twist your arm the whole way. Earnings on a non-existant P/E, and who-the-heck-needs-dividends. And how about those non-convertable options? You obviously did not go on margin much, sounds like a trustie. You know, trust-fund baby out to show the old folks that Global Crossing and the European funny-money front companies were going to generate 300% ROI's. This is freakin RICH! I am proud to have shorted some of you guys to ZERO!

350 posted on 02/06/2006 10:11:15 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ClassConscious
Oh good grief!

The market began to tank in MARCH of 2000; NOT in April!

The DEMS allowed the BUBBLE and they actually burst it, when BIG TIME DEM DONERS, who happened to be the rivals of MICROSOFT, got Gore to help them try to bring Gates to his knees, in court. Gates had been more or less apolitical, until that time; he hadn't greased the palms of the Clinton mafia, you see, so they were more than happy to go after him.

People who went Commie during the GREAT DEPRESSION were already left leaners, were at the bottom of the barrel, unlike you, and there is really no comparison between your stocks going down and what happened 60+ years prior to that; NONE!

Did a mean old Capitalist hold a gun to your head and make you buy the stocks you did? Well, did he? You made your own choices and then, when they didn't work out as you thought they would, you blame unknown others! Yep, you ARE a lefty to the core of your being!

Warren Buffet is a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar LEFTY! He's no "god" and while some sing his praises, it's for the same reason you became a moronic GREENIE WEENIE; they made some money!

Oh yes and here's a clue, so you don't have to buy one :THE MARKET GOES UP, THE MARKET GOES DOWN, AND SOMETIMES IT EVEN GOES SIDEWAYS.

Ralph Nader is a fraud! He's a multimillionaire, who plays at looking poor and being "for the little guy". In reality, he owns a posh co-op, has a TON of money in the market, and he made his name, by a stealth, fraud, and lies! The car he went after, had been out of production for something like two years and IIRC, the lemons had been recalled. And THAT is exactly what his MO has been ever since.

You now work on the Street and come here and tell us that you HATE CAPITALISTS? You're a moron and a hypocrite; not to mention not nearly as "intellectual" as some have given you credit for being.

351 posted on 02/06/2006 10:13:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: RandallFlagg; ClassConscious

Don Luskin runs a blog that, among other things, specializes in Krugman roasts. Enjoy.

http://www.poorandstupid.com/chronicle.asp


352 posted on 02/06/2006 10:14:13 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: ClassConscious

The ferret-like Krugman is a socialist.


353 posted on 02/06/2006 10:14:17 PM PST by oneofmany (Moral relativism is the intellectual refuge of the weak.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; ClassConscious
It's tough being green.(click to listen)

Let's all sing along;)

354 posted on 02/06/2006 10:14:51 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
BARBRA STRIESAND, in spades.

Okay... YOU keep him and both of you go off to DU!

355 posted on 02/06/2006 10:15:06 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ClassConscious

I was a big-time stock investor!"

So, you hate capitolists because you didn't become stinking rich as one?


356 posted on 02/06/2006 10:16:43 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: ClassConscious
If you hate capitalist then you should go eat dirt in some other place comrade; I don't want any part of communism other than the part of destroying it.
357 posted on 02/06/2006 10:16:50 PM PST by Porterville (They took our jobs!!! Der dook er jibs!!! Deer took er jabs!!!)
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To: Torie
Yes, you're correct, but you omitted one group...the sort of exDems, who are still damned bleeding hearts and are out to save the "victim".

The n00b is a self avowed COMMIE; for crying out loud.

358 posted on 02/06/2006 10:17:02 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ClassConscious
I was a big-time stock investor!

I was working for dot-coms

I was a lucky one who managed to jump from dot coms to Wall Street.

And you hate capitalists? Well look in the mirror hypocrite, I can see why your a watermelon, oh so much guilt. Liberalism IS a mental disease.

359 posted on 02/06/2006 10:17:37 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Happy New Year FReepers.)
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To: Zerano

You're welcome. :)


360 posted on 02/06/2006 10:18:28 PM PST by jellybean (George Allen 2008)
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