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Democracy has a gun held to its head
Telegraph (London) ^ | 2/5/2006 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 02/05/2006 5:16:46 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

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To: Sender
There are reasons why mosques around the world were commonly built like fortresses with thick stone walls. They knew that eventually the infidels would come with torches and pitchforks.

You're probably right. Adding to that notion of course is the "outrage" that muslims express, as if that's not getting infinitely cliche'd, when a stray bullet hits a mosque while at other times they turn them into snipers' havens or munition depots.

61 posted on 02/05/2006 8:43:40 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
In other words, and as painful as it is for most of our leaders in the "free world" to hear, there is no negotiating with mind-numbed robotic muslims!

Political correctness and kow-towing only causes them to despise us even more. They know that due to our "liberal" or "progressive" programs that are in place we will kiss their backsides and bend over into any shape they desire.

Whenever an American leader recognizes the fact that dealing with muslims is impossible and that catering to the Mexican government regarding the rape of our borders only demonstrates to the evil muslims how we grovel, they'll become even more bold and commit even more horrible catastrophes than 9-11.

62 posted on 02/05/2006 9:25:56 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Dark Skies

63 posted on 02/05/2006 9:31:56 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy

Thank goodness, here in America we have guns and point them at bad guys.

At my last trip to Walmart I bought:
Cat food
Water filters
100 rounds of .45 ACP.

Is this a great country or what?


64 posted on 02/05/2006 9:34:45 AM PST by ElTianti
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To: FerdieMurphy
Statement: "...At a time when reasonable dialogue is most needed..."

Response: A symptom of what is wrong with the West i.e. debate, discussion, dialogue, different points of view, tolerance-(the inability to say yes or no, the inability to take a stand!)-the big tent, room at the table, sympathy for all that suffer etc. etc. One does not debate or discuss one commands!!

65 posted on 02/05/2006 9:40:55 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I'd think it was a date (like 7/7/6 or maybe even a year away 7/7/7).

Get Calypso Louis on the phone to discuss the importance of these numbers. Louis Farrakhan is in touch with modern Islam. Maybe he knows something.
66 posted on 02/05/2006 10:38:46 AM PST by weegee (Happy Holidays! Tis the season of MLK, Chinese New Year, Tet, Valentine's, Presidents...)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
These protests do not constitute "free speech". That is just a convenient talking point for useful idiots.

(A) the protesters are making death threats against all persons from nations that publish these cartoons, not just the editor/publisher/cartoonist/guy who owns the newsstand.

(B) these death threats are a despotic attempt to silence someone else's RIGHT of free speech.
67 posted on 02/05/2006 10:42:39 AM PST by weegee (Happy Holidays! Tis the season of MLK, Chinese New Year, Tet, Valentine's, Presidents...)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Either the gun being held at democracy's head is taken away, or the person holding the gun must be dealt with.


68 posted on 02/05/2006 10:55:53 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: muawiyah
The cartoons were neither insulting nor tasteless. Have no idea where this guy is coming from.

He's coming from a place where the fascists have already seized the power to define the terms of the fight...not a good place to be, at all.

69 posted on 02/05/2006 10:58:25 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Racehorse
These aren't the first crusades to keep Islamonazism at bay but they ought to be the LAST.

We didn't have to kill or imprison every Nazi to end Nazism. We won the Cold War against the USSR but international communism still exists and is a threat to democracy. Let's not make that mistake with Islamonazism.

I don't care if muslims worship Mohammed but they must fall in line with the rest of the world and learn to co-exist peacefully with the rest of the world. Right now muslims are at war with Jews, Christians, Buddhists, and Hindus. Their violence is not all related to the Middle East or even Israel. There exists a sizable following of Islamonazism that spans several continents.

It is a political system as much as it is a religion. Nazis believed they were a privileged (Aryan) race but that did not mean that anyone who opposes Nazism is a racist. Some people worship Adolph Hitler to this day (but do not pose a significant threat anywhere).

Islam is a supremacist nationality as well. Its legal system is 3 tiered with muslims at the top of the law. Jews and Christians have lesser rights but more protection than those of other or no faith. When slaves are seized in jihad, they must be taken to an "Islamic territory" to be divided up.

This notion of "Islamic territory" does not respect people of other faiths and it puts borders between "the Western World (or Far East)" and muslim society.

A line was drawn in the sand on 9/11/2001. We had entered a new millennium. Old grievances could have been set aside. Instead they had to upset the apple cart. Such actions cannot be permitted to stand. "You are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

Past societies had to deal with conquering muslims. This is a global conflict. End it. Maybe not in our lifetime even, but end it for future generations.

Does that sound like victory to you?
70 posted on 02/05/2006 10:59:22 AM PST by weegee (Happy Holidays! Tis the season of MLK, Chinese New Year, Tet, Valentine's, Presidents...)
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To: Racehorse
Describe victory to me, please

You can get on a plane without being screened like a potential criminal. You can ride a train in Europe without worrying about reaching your destination. You can join the service and not have to assume a priori that you'll be dodging IED's in six months. You can feel safe as a Jew without having to wonder what some scumbag in the mosque down the street is saying about you and your family. Like the President said many times, this a war that will be for a generation. It won't end for decades, except if we surrender.

71 posted on 02/05/2006 11:09:38 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dark Skies

BUMP

Let me add that it is unlikely for there to ever be some sort of "reform" Islam.

Islam is rewritten from the Judeo-Christian Bible with some additional stuff. It is specifically a religion of "an" antiChrist because it is the only religion that accepts the existence of Jesus yet it denies His divinity, His crucifixion, His Resurrection. It denies Him and replaces Jesus with Mohammed (no Mohammed is not the same, but he does replace the figure).

Mohammed is a false prophet (at least by my faith) who leads the flock astray. Unlike other religions with "false paths", Islam does incorporate elements of Christianity yet at the same time denying it. That makes it of the AntiChrist.

Now that is my stance on Islam vs. my faith. So be it. They are free to worship a false prophet. However, it is a blood cult incompatible with non-muslim rulers. The only co-existence seems to be under muslim control (where they is limited tolerance for those who do not convert).

And as to that "reformation" movement? Mohammed was "the last prophet" so fat chance convincing the majority of muslims to accept some new voice of Islam that recants concepts of jihad, sexual slavery, and antisemitism. Mohammedists won't follow a subsequent false prophet.

Funny little defense mechanism in Islam... The more you attempt to supress Islam, the more followers accept that as a sign to wage physical jihad against a culture. A vicious circle if ever there was one.

True reform for muslims is to RETURN to the original text of the Old and or New Testament as Jews or Christians. I don't see this happening but that is where "reform" is to be found.


72 posted on 02/05/2006 11:12:34 AM PST by weegee (Happy Holidays! Tis the season of MLK, Chinese New Year, Tet, Valentine's, Presidents...)
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To: MedicalMess

From an earlier thread comes this link:
http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C

These cartoons make the Danish ones look positively Big-Mo friendly. That a Dutch site would put these on the net after the murder in Holland is proof positive that the Muslims have hurt themselves most severely over the cartoon violence.

In keeping with the Dutch refusal to cower before the Muslims or the PC speech crowd, I hereby humbly off the following Arab joke.

What does one call an Arab walking down the street with a goat under one arm and a sheep under the other?

Ans: Bisexual.

The real pity is that if Islam didn't allow one man to have four wives when three others can therefore have no wife, is is likely that the Muslim world would be rather less violent. Marriage and a family tends to keep one from donning and detonating a suicide belt.


73 posted on 02/05/2006 11:57:07 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Racehorse

Oddly, I think the ultimate war will be won by the liberals.

After the militant Islamic radical war mongers are defeated by the brave hawks of the west, the liberals will step in to love the remaining moderates to death.

A Republic is a powerful and wonderful thing isn't it?


74 posted on 02/05/2006 11:57:56 AM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Freedom for me, but not for you, is what the radicals want

This bears repeating. I have heard the protests of "right-winged-talk-radio" and how it must be stopped as one example of the process. There are so many groups trying to get Sean or Rush in trouble.

And this is the heart of the logical fallacy of liberalism, and why it is an assault on all rights.

The essential ingredient of Western jurisprudence (whether from Moses, the Romans, what have you) is equality before the law. That is equality of the individual.

Consider this quote from the article:

The problem is that militant Islam is not seeking a level playing field - equality before the law, for instance - but special treatment. Muslims expect, as they should, the benefits and protections of British pluralism but, in too many cases, baulk at the duties that are their corollary. One of those duties is to accept that, in a free society, there are occasions when each of us is bound to be offended. "Everyone is in favour of free speech," remarked Churchill. "Hardly a day passes without its being extolled. But some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like - but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage." There is no excuse for gratuitous offence, of course. But some Muslims might like to consider how insulting their own views on women's rights, theocracy and Western practices are to many non-Muslims. The offensiveness of these views is no reason to close British mosques or Islamic newspapers.

Liberalism seeks to replace the individual with representatives or members of more-or-less distinct classes, and according to liberal dogma, one's claims only deserve to be considered, let alone acted upon, depending upon the ranking of one's class on the ladder of "victims" or "oppressors". White heterosexual male Christians have no claim, whatsoever. Womyn, blacks, gays, "the indigenous peoples" all occupy various places on the ladder, depending on the claim being adjudicated.

This is why Reagan's appointee, James Watt, got in so much trouble for his remark "I have a black, a woman, two Jews, and a cripple."

He had let the cat out of the bag!

The only exception to the hierarchical ranking of victims is that liberals -- as the enlightened guarantors of all others' liberty -- are automatically sent --as individuals--to the FRONT of the line.

And this is why liberalism, Marxism, and all flavors in between, must be eradicated without trace. They provide a framework and justification for screwing everyone's lives, without mercy, while according to themselves the privleges and accolades for having done the opposite!

Cheers!

75 posted on 02/05/2006 12:05:02 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
We must be sensitive toward the barbarians. The last thing we should ever do is demand they grow up and get a life! Then again William Shatner's Devil May Care attitude is lost on our effete Western chancelleries. Someone really needs to tell Islam they're an equal opportunity target and if they can't take criticism well, perhaps they all ought to blow themselves up. That's one thing they've gotten pretty good at - its Islam's most famous export. Besides that, a mere infidel cartoon doesn't quite register.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

76 posted on 02/05/2006 12:23:54 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Racehorse
"Well my little boy, it would be wonderful. We could spend all day playing and singing 'Kumbya'" Now back to you little demorat world and don't hurt that weak mind of yours trying to think!!!
77 posted on 02/05/2006 1:20:33 PM PST by JLGALT (Get ready - Lock and Load!)
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To: Fruitbat
Actually, most mosques look like quite ordinary buildings. What you are thinking of are the very large, built-for-the-ages "principal" mosques.

I'm within a 15 minute walk of 5 mosques, none of which looks terribly imposing. One of them is an old IT&T training facility ~ large classrooms, floor to ceiling glass windows, etc.

78 posted on 02/05/2006 1:44:06 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: weegee

Still, it would have been a very good idea to put every last single Nazi to death, including the members of the Ba'athist party.


79 posted on 02/05/2006 1:46:05 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: GladesGuru

A thought for you ~ back in the days when there was a high maternal death rate (most of human history), there was always a surplus of guys.


80 posted on 02/05/2006 1:48:54 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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