Posted on 02/04/2006 8:25:42 AM PST by Eurotwit
Just breaking on Sky.
Norwegian TV is about to break their regular programming to follow events.
I'm asking for the specific quote from the administration that you are referring to...........with a link.
Like me. I voted for both Clintons and Gore and started this sorry voting pattern with Jimmy Carter. 9/11 and the Democrats wimpy response to it changed all that. I plan to atone by voting conservative/republican for the next half of my life.
I wonder if THIS is the statement dagnabbit is referring to when saying the administration sided with the terrorists?
That would give new meaning to the word 'distortion,' wouldn't it now?
As I said earlier, factual accuracy is critical in any discussion, and wild accusations of the President and his administration based on incorrect data are characteristics of the left........NOT FR.
I'm sorry that I left the forum for a couple of hours right after making the post regarding the State Department statement and I could not get right back to any comments.
I found the information from a link at Hugh Hewitt's blog. Let me see whether I can put together something to post as a separate thread.
Contemptible.
If push comes to shove in Iran (or elsewhere), the neutron bomb would presumably leave the oil rigs intact.
The Sepoy mutiny of 1857 (not sure of the date, but around then)? I wrote a paper about it in college (many years ago). Actually both Hindus and Muslims rose up against the British when a (false) rumor went round that both pork fat AND beef fat were being used in ammunition. They raped and slaughtered scores of British civilians, including children. Nothing new there.
You had to work hard at that, didn't you? So much for your reasoned opinion........
No need for me to continue with this discussion. You're so far off base that you're not even in the ball park.
Just wanted it on the record that the Bush administration most definitely did NOT 'side with the wackos.' Thanks for providing what was needed to make that clear.
btw, it might be 'contemptible' if it were even close to the truth............but it's not.
Nothing here..move on.
Let me back up dagnabbit.
The State Department went way too far in its understanding of the muslim outrage in its official comments.
Judging from the threads here at Freerepublic it seems like the vast majority agrees with that. Ditto for blogs like littlegreenfootballs.
Anyhow, I understand why the state department made such a statement, and I think it is somewhat healthy for Europe to face this on its own.
Have a great saturday.
Cheers.
Kissing or Kickin Muslim Ass? Don't mess with TEXAS!
I just did a quick skim over on DU and it seems a new "meme" has been born. Guess what it is? "Bush is siding with the torchers."
A new Dem lie to now be repeated 'til it becomes the accepted truth.
Now I see why, EU doesnt want Turkey in the EU. Muslims just cant behave themselves. Alway doing the Jihad twist!
very quiet in Detroit!
As the arm of diplomacy, it is my opinion that the State Department ALWAYS 'goes too far' to accommodate..........but that is its job within the administration.
As for 'siding with the terrorists'.......that's nonsense. I'm just interested in accuracy as to what has really been said. Criticizing what you believe to be too much 'understanding' is one thing. Telling untruths is quite another.......which is what dagnabbit did here.
Oh...........and I'm having a beautiful, snow-covered, winter storm warning Saturday, and I'm loving it! :)
Hope yours is going well too.
No surprise there. Which is why this kind of lie cannot be allowed to go unchallenged here.
Sorry Ohio, but there is no way to listen to or read this administration statement in its entirety other than as a clear stance against publishing the cartoons. That puts the Bush admin solidly on the wrong side of this particular Islam v. West issue.
And this is not just some random State Dept guy popping off. He's reciting from cleared text that's been reviewed by the White House (NSC). He's "on message" for the Bush Administration. And there's another thread now on FR in which another State Dept spokesman repeats and confirms the "not acceptable" part of the Admin's view of printing Islamist-bothering items in an otherwise free press.
Good story coming out of San Antonio: "Terrorism 101"
From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11175608/
by Jim Forsyth, 1200 WOAI NewsradioIn the Gaza strip, unemployment is at 70%. Basic services, education, and amenities are sporadic to non existant. The rule of law has never been respected, corrupt and thuggish governments are all the people there have ever known. I have been to the Gaza Strip, it is a fetid, overcrowded, agonizingly dismal slum, unlike anything anywhere in the United States. It is understandable that people there would take to the streets in angry demonstrations, and this week they did. They were demonstrating not againt the evils which oppress them hourly, but against a cartoon, published five months ago in a newspaper 1500 miles away. And in this act, baffling to most westerners, we see the clearest explanation yet of the roots and the appeal of terrorism.
First of all, it cannot be said strongly enough or with too much conviction that any action which demeans a person's religious belifs is repugnant, and it is well known that a core belief of Islam holds that depictions of the Prophet Mohammad (Peace and Blessings of God be Upon Him), violate Muslim prohibitions against idolatry and graven images, prohibitions which are not unknown to many Christians. But it is in the toddler-like temper tantrums of violence in the demonstrations on the Arab street, and in the demonstrators' fundamental lack of understanding of freedom of expression, that we can more easily understand how the demagogues of Hamas and Al-Queda, who are a lot more concerned about profit than about The Prophet, are able to thrive.
Much like the Ku Klux Klan in America in the twenties, to which Hamas and Al-Queda bear an almost eerie similarity, today's Islamofascist leaders understand that more than any other form of identity, a person's religious beliefs go to the core of their very being, and that this basic identity can be strengthened and focused in the service of evil leaders when believers are given a specific and identifiable enemy to hate. I think it is absolutely no coincidence that the offending cartoon, which appeared in a Danish newspaper last September, is just now being trotted out by the haters-in-chief on the Middle Eastern street, at a time when Hamas is ascendant in the Palestinian territories and Iran now speaks clearly of a desire for world domination. What we see here is not unlike how Nazi philosophers Alfred Rosenbeg and Julius Stricher used twisted Christian mysticism in the 1920s to lay the foudation for the Holocaust. In fact, many of the early anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda was in the form of cartoons.
Dictatorships in the Middle East have for fifty years used appeals to the alleged disrespect and humiliation of Islam to focus the concerns of their own people away from despotism, poverty, and the cultural and intellectual stagnation of Middle Eastern society, much is which is caused by this very religious xenophobia we see being exhibited this week. Ironically, the Middle Eastern press, even moderate institutions like Al-Jazeera, use cartoons depicting Jews and Jewish religious leaders as butchers, child killers, even as cannibals on almost a daily basis, something which the Muslim demonstrators from London to Indonesia seem to recognize without a hint of hypocrisy.
A westerner would look at the cartoon and attempt to acknowledge and alter whatever behavior had caused people in other cultures to paint a revered religious figure in such a negative light. But there's no room for introspection when you're rousing the rabble to violence for your own power and profit.
Whether it is in the American South, Weimar Germany or the modern Middle East, appeals to religious identity, fanned by a feling of impotence in the face of perceived cultural humilation and oppression, are powerful ingredients for opportunistic 'leaders' to spark radical and self-serving violence, as the demagogues in the Middle East demonstrated this past week, and as the insurgents in Iraq and the Neo Nazi government in Iran have been demonstrating for months. That is why, as America succesfully did with the Klan, the Islamofascist leaders must be marginalized, and the people who would otherwise threaten 'beheadings' over a five month old cartoon published in another country, be allowed to realize that their economic, social, political, and above all moral aspirations can be realized. So they understand the value of all people, and know that they and their children can do good for this world more than strap on a suicide bomb so somebody else can make a profit.
When the Tammany Hall boss William Marcy Tweed was being led off to prison in the 19th Century, he placed the blame for his downfall squarely on the brilliant muckraking cartoonist Thomas Nast. "I can sway the crowds with words and I can buy them with bribes," Nast said, in a sentiment Al-Queda and Hamas would easily understand today. "But there's nothing I can do about those little pictures."
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