Oh brother.
Debate on trade. Economics and particularly why everyone not on board with your limited view, how they are not doom and gloomers or protectionists, or anti trade.
Its not a fight. I can win with not one slur or attack.
Why would I want to debate you about nothing?
Because its not nothing, and secondly discussing it professionally will hopefully cut out the mud slinging about the stuff on this very thread...
One side yells traitor and the other screams protectionist...
Its like two brick walls arguing with each other....that circle has been going round and round for several years.
I am ready to end it.
I'm talking about immigration policy, and in particular maintaining the distinction between high end immigration of skilled workers through programs like 12b-1, which I support and support increasing for reasons of increased economic competitiveness. While I do not support illegal immigration or amnesties for guest workers. I've also stated that I have no problem with using trade strategically for actual grand strategy purposes or to improve human rights, as long as those don't turn into mere excuses to destroy trade. On other threads I've insisted that trade benefits both parties that engage in it economically - which can result in strategic reasons to oppose some trade, as strengthening people better not strengthened - but does not result in any economic argument against trade.
Would you care to tell me which, if any, of those propositions you disagree with?
End it. Boy! wouldn't that be great.
One thing I like about the pro-"globalization" New Democrat Third Way "progressives" site (ndol.org) is the acknowledgment that, yes American workers will be affected by "globalization" but we (the "all mighty government") should help them.
The mainline pro-"globalization" Republican response seems to be, yes they are affected. They should have been prepared for it. It's for the economy. Better jobs will be created -- until then, screw the whining socialists (Marxists?) who see government as their mommy.
Those are both subjective opinions.
The point: Wouldn't it be nice to acknowledge that yes there are many American workers affected by ILLEGAL/legal immigration and offshore outsourcing?
Furthermore, yes the economy is doing great! But! many American workers are nevertheless uneasy and wondering how far will this go before "globalization" nails them.
Good question.
I remember the early 1990s movie, Falling Down. The advent of the "angry white man." Well now it ain't just white men; though compared to most of the app. 150,000,000 employed men and women there are few of them -- but they are real.
(Personally, I see the internationalist, Davos, New Democrat Third Way "rules-based" -- their rules -- "free trade" globalization as a Marxist revolution from the top down. Transnational corporations already kowtow to the WTO -- soon the WTO will be enforcing "social justice" -- according to the "rules." Got rope?)