Power Play? Board boots Baptist pastor in flap over speaking in tongues

Journal Now.com ^ | Saturday, February 4, 2006 | By Greg Horton

[WKB]

I answered in 68 if you would give me time to respond before repeating your questions. You seem to have to ask the same question three times.



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That would apply to those who do so privately as well?

Same basis, yeah. It would provide a nice, ego stroking sense of 'Wow, I must be a really spiritual person to have just done that.'

But my understanding is that it's not to be done without an interpreter (so why would a person do it by him or herself)- something that's also missing in a lot of assemblies with the tongues going on - it would be difficult to have that many interpreters when six or seven people are going on at the same time.

[Skooz]

And then the serious ones will quote the text that says if we're not filled with the spirit, that we are not truly saved.

Some of my best friends are Assembly of God pastors. I have attended an Assembly of God church since 1986. Not once have I heard anyone, at anytime, make such an assertion. Not once.

[Skooz]

I disagree vehemently with your first senetence.

I tend to agree with your second.

[kjam22]

I have... .repeatedly. I've been told repeatedly that if I didn't speak in tongues, the spirit didn't dwell in me... and if the spirit didn't dwell in me.... I wasn't really saved.

[WKB]

Some of my best friends are Assembly of God pastors. I have attended an Assembly of God church since 1986. Not once have I heard anyone, at anytime, make such an assertion. Not once.



But I have heard some "Jesus Name Only"
make that assertion.

[Skooz]

Then you were lied to by people who are at odds with Assembly of God teachings.

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Fair enough.

[Skooz]

You mean "oneness" people?

I can't speak for them.

[WKB]

I finally decided to just allow God to be God and follow Him according to the Scriptures and what He would have me do.


It is the best way.
When Christians argue over "nonessential"
it just gives the enemy ammunition.

[xzins]

I said in #43 that the quote was from the article. Your reply, though, in #28 cited 2 scriptures with no explanation on how they fit. That left things open to interpretation regarding what you intended by those scriptures.

What did you intend with them?

[kjam22]

I've sat and watched whole football games while in the other room they circled one and prayed and prayed .... and spoke in tongues for hours trying to get that one to "be filled by the holy spirit". And finally after saying about 3 words that sounded like a 1 year old.... praise God.... the person has now been endwelled by the Holy Spirit.

[Skooz]

It happens.

[WKB]

You mean "oneness" people?
I can't speak for them


Yes "JNO"\Oneness same thing
My wife's family is full of em.
I have a nephew who is an AOG Pastor
and a cousin who is married to one
they have never said anything like that.
I told them one time
If the Baptist would "Speak in Tongues"
and the AOG would believe in "once saved
always saved" we could "all just get along" :>)

[Always Right]

What did you intend with them?

I meant it more as a rebuttal to the assertion that tongues was only meant for early Christians, not anything to do with wether it is a spiritual language.

[Iscool]

As usual, the division comes NOT from not understanding the Bible, but NOT believing it...Change just a little word here or there and you can make it mean anything you want...

But here's a good one for you...What language did the angels speak??? What language did Adam and Eve speak???

Unless you change a word or two in the scriptures, anyone can clearly see speaking in tongues is a foreign language, or unknown language (to you)...

But what's important is we are encouraged by the Bible NOT to speak in 'tongues'...Why???

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

That's pretty straight forward...Are the signs for Christians in this age???

1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

The Jews require the signs and miracles...For the most part, they have too much Biblical history and tradition to accept a Crucified Christ...

Tongues are for a sign...The Jews require a sign...Chrisians look for wisdon (in preaching)...Let's also not forget that in Paul's later life, he was a physical wreck...And no one could heal him, (outside of God)...

If we all believed the Bible, there would be one denomination...

[Rays_Dad]

Kjam22

Pastor Wade is my pastor. We(the church) have heard a great deal about this situation. Your short summary seems to be very correct. Below is the sermon outline from the service during which he formally addressed this topic to the church. One can listen to the sermon also; he does his best to describe the situation in an hour.

http://www.emmanuelenid.org/sermons/Principles.htm

Chip

[WestVirginiaRebel]

If God wants to talk to you, He does it directly and you'll know it. Why would He need an "Interpreter?"

[Always Right]

Then you were lied to by people who are at odds with Assembly of God teachings.

That is more of a Pentacostal teaching that speaking in tongues is neccessary for salvation.

[Just mythoughts]

If you note the 'tongue' spoken was understood, what need would there be to speak in a 'tongue' that nobody understands?