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Megachurches growing in number and size
modbee ^ | 2-3-06

Posted on 02/03/2006 4:49:33 PM PST by LouAvul

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To: My2Cents

Many of the Megachurches do not apply Harvard Business Principles, but simply apply good management, or good stewardship.

Others succeed despite themselves.

You're trying to paint with too broad a brush. Megachurches are not at all from the same mold. Mine is very tight doctrine:

Beginning sentence from a sermon two weeks ago:

"The trouble with most marriages is..........the husband".

He asked the husbands to stand, which we did, and said "This sermon is for you. For some of you this is the last time we will see you here".

And then he laid into us.


21 posted on 02/04/2006 12:41:03 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: TexanToTheCore

I was under the impression that the church was to forgive people for their sins. If the pastor only laid into the husbands and provided no absolution, you're right, I wouldn't go back. Of course, I probably wouldn't have been there in the first place. Was there any Gospel?


22 posted on 02/06/2006 4:14:56 AM PST by Lutheran Loft II
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To: TexanToTheCore
Yours may be fine. But you might want to pick up a book by Os Guiness entitled "Dining With the Devil: How the Megachurch Movement Flirts With Modernity."

It isn't as popular as "The Purpose Driven Church," but it should be read by every church leader who is tempted to go the megachurch route, if for no other reason than to be conscious of the pitfalls.

23 posted on 02/06/2006 10:46:38 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: Lutheran Loft II

I agree. One of the biggest problems of contemporary churches today is that Jesus Christ has been relegated to the balcony -- it's nice to have Him around, and we'll all occasionally give Him a nod during the services, but He really isn't presented as having much to do with our current life situations, other than to give us a few principles for living life. The problems with most marriages is that....husbands and wives are trying to live a caraciture of "Christian marriage" in the power of their own flesh and sincerity. Unless I'm completely reading the New Testament in the wrong way, we are to live our lives by the power of the resurrection life of Christ who resides within us. A message that doesn't point the church to the power and resources of the indwelling life of Christ isn't a message of the gospel.


24 posted on 02/06/2006 10:53:31 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: WalterSkinner
Sound expository Bible teaching and real heart-felt worship have now been replaced with a marketed product

If you want sound expository Bible teaching, this is the place for you.

Pastor David Rosales is simply the finest teacher of the Bible this side of a conservative evangelical seminary. And that's what is offered, on Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday night. Systematic study of God's word. And nobody does it better.

The philosophy of the church is based on Ephesians 4:11-12. If you're looking to work out your problems, enhance your self-esteem, meed your future spouse, or any other touchy,feely, liberal, Dr. Feelgood agenda, STAY AWAY! This is not the place for you.

What this church does better than almost any other, is equip the believer for spiritual warfare. If you've been to Parris Island, SC or Fort Benning, GA you'll be able to relate. It is literally a boot camp for pastors. And it is predicated on the sobering realization that we're engaged in spiritual warfare, that the devil knows his time is short, that he is a defeated enemy, but can do a lot of damage on the way down.

The Grace of God lives in this church, and the power of His Spirit is poured out, the evidence of which is plain to see in the work of the Spirit in the believers who attend.

In addition, there are rigid standards of conduct, none of which are subject to negotiation. Adultery is not tolerated. Neither is divorce. So your marriage better be solid. If you're single, better plan on staying that way. You're there to serve God, not troll around for your next ex.

This church has changed my life. I went from being a nominal believer to someone who is genuinely committed to my faith. I struggle at times. And struggles are recognized as the inherent weakness of guilty man combined with satanic attacks to exploit those weakness. There is plenty of support among the body of Christ for believers so afflicted.

Pastor David has been powerfully annointed to teach God's Word. And it is evident in everything he does. Anyone who is serious about their faith is encouraged to attend. I'm sure it will mean as much to like-minded Christians -- not to mention those who hunger for God, but haven't found Him yet -- as it has for me.

Check it out, You'll never regret it.

25 posted on 02/06/2006 11:13:32 AM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Lutheran Loft II

It was all based upon The Gospel.

It was a job description for husbands taken from the Gospel.

Our pastor spends a great deal of time with the kids during the summer vacation and every year he comes back infuriated with the husbands.

The sermon was sobering and I hope many husbands renewed their committment to biblically based marriages. It made me sweat.

And by the way, your kids know what's going on in your marriage. Fairly accurately.


26 posted on 02/06/2006 4:18:41 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: TexanToTheCore

TTTC
If you are part of Dr. Ed Young's church--he is a fine man.


27 posted on 02/06/2006 5:34:46 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: WalterSkinner

Ed Young is a great Pastor.

I have learned so much from him, it is hard to describe.

He left a mark during that sermon.


28 posted on 02/06/2006 5:54:42 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: My2Cents

Thank you for the lead on that book.


29 posted on 02/06/2006 5:56:26 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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