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To: Colt .45

So I guess the founders didn't attempt to create a federal government that was more powerful than individual states? You could have fooled me. We would still have the Articles of Confederation if the founders didn't want a stronger central government. Secession was an illegal act. It violated the Constitution, and Lincoln did what he had to do to keep the Union intact. Are you suggesting that America would be better off if the South had won and the country was divided into multiple nations? Do you think slavery should still exist?


124 posted on 02/04/2006 2:27:03 PM PST by sangrila
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To: sangrila
Your first sentence is correct. The founders did not want an all powerful central government and took great pains to prevent it. (See ninth and tenth amendment).

Second, please point out the wording in the Constitution that declares secession illegal. I can't put my finger on it.

Third, the South WAS in favor of the expansion of slavery into the territories but that was only one of the reasons it seceded. The North, however, DID NOT go to war to end slavery. It wasn't even on the list. Lincoln went to war to preserve the union.

125 posted on 02/04/2006 2:52:43 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: sangrila
"So I guess the founders didn't attempt to create a federal government that was more powerful than individual states?"

No, the Founders didn't want a more powerful central government - they had just gotten rid of one. They created a central government with LIMITED powers. Limited for liberty. That is what the term "just powers" means - LIMITED! Secession was not, repeat NOT an illegal act as the 9th and 10th Amendments guaranteed that the people had the right to "resume any powers delegated whenever the central government perverted those powers to oppress the people." Go back, study up on your history especially the framing of the Constitution, and the debates surrounding it and then come talk with me.

"I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground that 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, not longer susceptible of any definition." --Thomas Jefferson

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread." --Thomas Jefferson

"The State governments possess inherent advantages, which will ever give them an influence and ascendancy over the National Government, and will for ever preclude the possibility of federal encroachments. That their liberties, indeed, can be subverted by the federal head, is repugnant to every rule of political calculation." --Alexander Hamilton

135 posted on 02/04/2006 5:57:00 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: sangrila
SORRY. WRONG ANSWER!

secession is ONE of the powers of the States, which was NOT ceded to the central government.

check out the TENTH Amendment to the BOR.

lincoln, the TYRANT & WAR CRIMINAL, & his coven of cronies cared about just TWO things: POLITICAL POWER & MONEY.

lincoln was NO better person than wee willie klintoon.

free dixie,sw

144 posted on 02/05/2006 9:08:51 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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