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To: John Jorsett
Alito said in his hearings that he favored review of death penalty cases

Exactly. Therein lies one of the problems. Unless the criminal has been charged under federal law (which in fact there shouldn't be federal laws for murder, etc. if it doesn't involved a federal official) the issue is up to the separate and sovereign states. The case should have stopped at the state's respective Supreme Court

21 posted on 02/03/2006 1:12:08 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Unless the criminal has been charged under federal law (which in fact there shouldn't be federal laws for murder, etc. if it doesn't involved a federal official

I don't think there are.

92 posted on 02/03/2006 1:43:09 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: billbears

You apparently haven't heard about the incorporation clause of the 14th Amendment that requires that federal protections also apply to the states. The overarching result of the Civil War and of the subsequent Amendments was to largely abolish the distinction between state and federal. Indeed, Lincoln even tried to justify the war by claiming that it wasn't the states that gave rise to the Union but that the Union gave rise to the States.


94 posted on 02/03/2006 1:44:33 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: billbears; Howlin
"Unless the criminal has been charged under federal law (which in fact there shouldn't be federal laws for murder, etc. if it doesn't involved a federal official) the issue is up to the separate and sovereign states. "

You are dead wrong.

U.S. Constitution Article 6 -- This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

U.S. Constitution Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

U.S. Constitution Article 3, Section 2 - The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution.

This case was brought to the Federal Court, by a citizen of the United States claiming that the manner of death proscribed by the State constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, and thus prohibited to any State by the U.S. Constitution...the Supreme Law of the Land.

The Supreme Court has Constitutional jurisdiction over this case.

Your argument would in fact set up a situation where a State could freely violate a citizen's Constitutional rights under the guise of State's Rights...no State has the right to violate the Constitutional rights of its citizens.

154 posted on 02/04/2006 10:27:36 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: billbears
Unless the criminal has been charged under federal law (which in fact there shouldn't be federal laws for murder, etc. if it doesn't involved a federal official) the issue is up to the separate and sovereign states.

You're forgetting the 14th Amendment. States haven't been sovereign since the Civil War.

175 posted on 02/05/2006 12:36:02 PM PST by curiosity
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