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To: wideawake
There was no anabaptist "underground" prior to the teaching of the great Anabaptist theologians of the 1520s. We're talking reality, not Da Vinci Code fiction.

Obviously you blew off the history and its sources that I provided without so much as reading it. I don't care what you or anyone else labels me as, Baptist, Anabaptist, whatever. It's just a name. It's been done for two thousand years, and I fully believe it will continue until He returns.

Persecution is nothing new to us. I tell you what friend. We'll just let Jesus settle it all in the end and decide what is fiction and what is Truth. My trust is in Him and in Him only, not in any church made up and ran by regular sinful humans, nor in any other authority of man's making. Choose this day whom you will serve. Good day.

215 posted on 02/03/2006 10:15:26 AM PST by OB1kNOb (I'm really not 50. I'm just 49.95 plus tax.)
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To: OB1kNOb
Uh-huh. Do you honestly think I've never encountered the work of JM Carroll and his fictionalized history before?

Look, I respect the SBC as serious Christians whose Anabaptist forbears were undoubtedly persecuted for their theological convictions. The SBC is one of the few organizations in the world standing between civilization and utter ruin today.

Inventing secret histories and conspiracy theories is entirely unnecessary and counterproductive and does nothing to burnish Bible believers' credentials.

My trust is in Him and in Him only, not in any church made up and ran by regular sinful humans, nor in any other authority of man's making.

I feel the exact same way, and I don't need to pretend that the Montanist and Albigensian pagans were actually Christians in order to make that claim.

251 posted on 02/03/2006 11:25:04 AM PST by wideawake
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To: OB1kNOb
This Baptist is a protestant. What happened to other Baptists years ago is irrelevant.

I was raised Roman Catholic. I rejected that church and the associated cult. I came to Christ much later and became a Baptist because the beliefs and tenets of the Baptists are those I believe to be most closely aligned with the Truth of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the understandings that come to me through the Holy Spirit. Whether you call me a Baptist, or a Feltonist, or whatever, is irrelevant. I chose to join a fellowship of others who similarly chose to adopt the tenets of Baptists (Southern Baptsists mostly).

We did not investigate the history and join the history, we joined the present.

271 posted on 02/03/2006 12:56:29 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: OB1kNOb
This might indicate that the history in The Trail of Blood is somewhat sloppy: (not a major point but one that is quickly researched)
"Cardinal Hosius (Catholic, 1524), President of the Council of Trent:"
1524 does not ring true. Trent ran from 1545-1563. Hosius was one of the papal legates from 1561 to 1563. As he was only a 20 year old student in 1524, I doubt he wrote anything of the sort at that time.
316 posted on 02/03/2006 7:24:14 PM PST by Hieronymus
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To: OB1kNOb
Follow up--took me a bit to find this. The quotation from Hosius is a forgery. No doubt most of the people citing it are sincere--they have just bought into at least some bad history.

http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/forgeries/hosius.html
317 posted on 02/03/2006 7:38:50 PM PST by Hieronymus
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