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Didn't know there could be such an argument going on ~ the Hun have their origins in historic times (within the last 2000 years), and the Hakka have their origins in Paleolithic times (more than 5,000 years ago).

Lots of stuff going on in the intervening 3,000 years of course.

Here's a thought for you if you follow this sort of thing, a number of minor-dark ages occurred since the last glaciers melted off. Many of them correlate well with what we call a "mini-ice age". That's where the temperature drops a bit, things dry out, and the temperate zone moves South.

Agricultural populations find themselves S.O.L. unless their existing crops will also grow under the new conditions.

When it comes to migratory tribes herding reindeer (or just following them, adjusting their path with elaborate gate systems), their range expands tremendously.

The Chuchi, Sa'ami and many other Polar Peoples MOVE SOUTH bringing with them new genes (e.g. the package we call Scandinavian Porphyria is worth looking up), new gods and goddesses, and new drugs (maybe even "little red man").

The first migration of the Hakka most likely began at the beginning of a colder period. Interesting that the Hakka have "round heads", "round" even according to the Chinese, who hardly have "square" heads~! Most of the Polar People also have very "round" heads. (Try buying a hat, eh?).

Given everybody's practice of trading daughters to adjacent tribes, I'd suspect the Hakka quickly acquired a totally new gene pack before they, themselves moved South toward the Han.

This sort of thing can cause a lot of confusion when you do studies of aleles.

"Here's a thought for you if you follow this sort of thing, a number of minor-dark ages occurred since the last glaciers melted off. Many of them correlate well with what we call a "mini-ice age". That's where the temperature drops a bit, things dry out, and the temperate zone moves South."

Yup. Professor Mike Baillie (an expert in dendrochronology) in his book Exodus To Arthur has used tree-rings worldwide to document some of these periods. Below are the dates he says shows worldwide effecting events: (serious Dark Ages)

* 3195BC

* 2354BC

* 1628BC

* 1159BC

* 540AD

And two smaller events at 207BC and 44BC.

"The first migration of the Hakka most likely began at the beginning of a colder period. Interesting that the Hakka have "round heads", "round" even according to the Chinese, who hardly have "square" heads~! Most of the Polar People also have very "round" heads. (Try buying a hat, eh?)."

Victor Mair, in his book, The Tarim Mummies, (The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy), says that the people in the Tarim Basin and on into Gansu Province, China were Caucasian and it was only about 100-200BC that Mongoloid skeletons( presumably the Han) started showing up in the grave yards... and, then later mixed race skeletons. I've often wondered if the Hakka were the result of this mixing. A cold dry spell set upon the region and people migrated from there in all directions. We know about the Hakka from Chinese records, we don't know about the others. Might some of the people also be the Picts?