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Rank Ignorance Fails(Paul Craig Roberts barf alert)
NewsMax.com ^ | February 2, 2006 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 02/02/2006 2:24:48 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot

In keeping with its established role as purveyor of disinformation, Fox "News" talking head Brit Hume misreported Fox's own poll. On the Jan. 26 "Special Report," Hume said that 51 percent of Americans "would now support" air strikes on Iran.

What the poll found is that if diplomacy fails, 51 percent would support air strikes.

Can we be optimistic and assume that the American public would not regard an orchestrated failure by the Bush administration as a true diplomatic failure? Alas, we cannot expect too much from a population in thrall to disinformation. The "evidence" that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons consists of mere assertion by members of the Bush administration and the neoconsevative media. Iran says it is not pursuing nuclear weapons, and the International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors have found no evidence of a weapons program (and they wouldn't lie, would they?).

Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Under the treaty, signatories have the right to develop nuclear energy. All they are required to do is to make reports to the IAEA and keep their facilities open to inspection. Iran complies with these requirements.

There is no Iranian "defiance." When news media report "defiance," they purvey disinformation. The "seals" on Iranian nuclear facilities were placed there voluntarily by the Iranians while they attempted to resolve the false charges brought by the Bush administration.

The "Iran crisis" is entirely the product of the Bush administration's determination to deprive Iran of its rights as a signatory of the non-proliferation treaty. It is one more demonstration of President Bush's belief that his policies are not constrained by fact, law and international treaties.

Despite the clear and unambiguous facts, the Fox-Opinion Dynamics poll reports that 60 percent of Republicans, 41 percent of independents and 36 percent of Democrats support using air strikes and ground troops against Iran in order to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

This poll indicates an appalling extent of ignorance and misinformation among the American public(he's talking about himself again). The Bush administration will take advantage of this ignorance to initiate another war in the Middle East.

A majority of Americans have now been deceived twice on the same issue. Just as there was no evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons, there is no evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.

There is nothing but unproven assertions - assertions, moreover, that are contradicted by the evidence that does exist. Americans, it would appear, are so eager for wars that they welcome being fooled into them.

One wonders, also, where the 60 percent of Republicans, 41 percent of independents and 36 percent of Democrats think the United States will find the ground troops with which to invade Iran.

As the three-year-old "cakewalk war" in Iraq has made completely clear, the United States does not have enough ground troops to successfully occupy Iraq and to suppress a small insurgency drawn from a Sunni population of 5 million people.

We hear report after report from military authorities that the Iraq war is straining our armed forces to the breaking point. For example, a Pentagon study by Andrew Krepinevich (reported by The Associated Press on Jan. 24) concludes that the U.S. Army cannot sustain the pace of troop deployments to Iraq long enough to break the back of the insurgency.

Every military expert knows this to be true, although few dare to say it. If the U.S. military is at the breaking point from trying to deal with an insurgency drawn from 5 million people, how can Bush send ground troops into vastly larger Iran with a population of 70 million people?

It boggles the mind that a majority of Americans favor an impossible policy.

Another recent poll, a Los Angeles Times-Bloomberg poll, finds that 57 percent of the respondents "favor military intervention if Iran's government pursues a program that could enable it to build nuclear arms." Fifty-three percent of these same respondents believe it was not worth going to war against Iraq.

The poll thus reveals the American public as grist for the neoconservatives' war mill.

If a country can produce material for nuclear energy, it can, with additional facilities and knowledge, produce material for nuclear weapons. Thus, if Iran exercises its rights under the non-proliferation treaty, 57 percent of Americans support a U.S. military attack on Iran!

American politicians, whose strings are pulled by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee despite AIPAC's current engulfment in spying charges against the United States, are demanding that the United States attack Iran in order to protect Israel(Ahhhh, those pesky Joooos).

One excuse for these demands is the statement by the new Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that Europeans should give Israel a piece of Europe and move the country there.

His statement that Israel should be wiped out is one intended for Muslim ears, not a declaration of an Iranian program of action. The Iranian president is simply elevating Iran's standing among Muslims by taking advantage of the anger that President Bush has created against the United States and Israel.

The notion that Iran might march into Israel is laughable(Yeah, that's what we're worried about). Iran has four routes into Israel: through Turkey and Syria, through Iraq and Syria, through Iraq and Jordan (or Lebanon), and through Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Three of these routes are foreclosed by U.S. troops on the ground, and the fourth by the Turkish Army.

Moreover, Israel has never signed the non-proliferation treaty, and, unlike Iran, Israel does have nuclear weapons. An Iranian invasion of Israel could be fatal for Iran.

Why, then, is the American population being whipped up by the Bush administration and Fox "News" into war hysteria against Iran?

Fox is aggressively agitating for war with Iran. On shows such as "Hannity and Colmes," guest after guest - Newt Gingrich, various retired generals, pundits and even Democratic politicians - agitate for attacking Iran.

For example, on Jan. 26 and 27, liberal Democrat Bob Beckel said on Fox that the United States has "a moral obligation to take out what we could of Iran's nuclear capabilities." Newt Gingrich said that the Iranian "dictatorship" is "too dangerous" to leave "in charge of one of the world's largest supplies of oil."

On Jan. 27, Democratic strategist Pat Cadell expressed mystification as to how strongly the polls surged, literally overnight, in support for attacking Iran.

One wonders if Americans ever think of the consequences of the rash actions they favor. The Bush administration has placed Iraq in the hands of the majority Shia, who are allied with Iran, which is allied with Hizbollah, the strongest military force in Lebanon, which is friendly to Hamas, the new Palestinian authority.

What response might a U.S. attack on Iran bring from the Shia population in Iraq? What terrorism might Iran unleash throughout the Middle East? What U.S. puppets might fall?

What consequences might follow if Iran not only shuts off Iranian oil, but knocks out facilities throughout the region and blocks oil flows from the Middle East?

Compared to attacking Iran, attacking Iraq was a small, if reckless, risk. Nevertheless, the unexpected consequences of the U.S. invasion of Iraq have prevented the Bush administration from achieving its goals.

Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida must be marveling at the rank stupidity of the American people. Maybe Fox "News" only pretends to be the "ministry of war propaganda" for the Bush administration and is in the employ of al-Qaida, instead.

War is not strengthening America's position in the Middle East, as gains by extremists in Palestinian, Iraqi, Pakistani and Egyptian elections attest. There is no prospect of the Bush administration imposing its will on the Middle East.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: assclown; bittercon; bitterpaleos; foxnews; iran; irannukes; iranstrikes; jewsrippedmyflesh; morethorazineplease; paleocon; paleowhine; paulcraigroberts; pcr; peskyjooooos; pollsoniran
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To: sgribbley

** Wait until the PA is expanded upon by a future wicked president. **

That is such an empty objection.

** We are in trouble if hitlery gets in. **

Please specify the area(s) of the Patriot Act that need to be removed to forestall a hypothetical President Hitler from abusing the Patriot Act. Which specific provisions need to be excised?

* Can you name one gov't program that has been downsized? *

The Department of Defense in the 1990s.

-George


61 posted on 02/09/2006 3:20:09 PM PST by Calif Conservative ( rwr and gwb backer)
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To: expat_panama; Mase; nopardons; Toddsterpatriot
Hedgcock (filling in for Rush) went to town on PCR today. I caught myself thinking, "well, Roger could've invited him on to defend himself," then I realized if he had, it would've been a friggin' bloodbath.
62 posted on 02/09/2006 8:01:03 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Oh my goodness; I wish I had heard that show. LOL


63 posted on 02/09/2006 9:35:52 PM PST by nopardons
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To: sgribbley
I agree 100%. However I have a feeling we will be cursing the PA in 15-20 years...

Ah yes, the old seminar poster routine-- "sure I like Bushitler too and I voted for him but we need to make it illegal for him to defend the country.  

FESA was written 30 years ago and should have been scrapped during the Clinton years with the advent of internet and cell phones --but Democrats only want new laws for other people so they just went ahead and tapped everyone's calls with echelon.    Only Republicans comply with laws, and the dems know it and use it against them by saying "in 15-20 years...".  I say that by 2026 we'd need to rewrite the PA anyway, but right now we need it.  .

64 posted on 02/10/2006 4:00:37 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Calif Conservative; sgribbley
name one gov't program that has been downsized? *   The Department of Defense in the 1990s.

Wow-- you slammed that one out of the park! 

I was all set to expose sgribbley as some kind of phoney plant, until I looked at his previous posts.   He's new here but he's spot on with everything (except the PA).

65 posted on 02/10/2006 4:12:15 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: sgribbley
You realize if Clinton was in the Whitehouse and set up the Patriot Act after 911 most people on this site would be praising Paul for his anti patriot act views and would be scared to death of the new gov't instrusion in our lives.

I have a little more faith. After what Hedgcock higlighted today, most FReepers would still think PCR is an idiot.

66 posted on 02/10/2006 5:50:38 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: All

I wonder why Mr. Roberts doesn't avail himself of all the medicines advertised on NewsMax???

Surely there is one for thinking rationally.... improving one's mind?


67 posted on 02/10/2006 5:53:22 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: sgribbley
you are dreaming if you don't think additional provisions not pertaining to the WOT will not be added in the future.

Please help me understand why you want the Patriot Act repealed.  You're saying that it's good law, but since at some future date Democrats might pass bad law, that you want good law repealed, even though it puts our lives at risk.

What am I missing?

69 posted on 02/10/2006 6:42:24 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Please help me understand why you want the Patriot Act repealed. You're saying that it's good law, but since at some future date Democrats might pass bad law, that you want good law repealed, even though it puts our lives at risk.

What am I missing?

Here goes, if Hillary gets elected she'll use the Patriot Act to do bad things. If we repeal the Patriot Act before Hillary gets elected she won't be able to do anything bad. Get it? /simplistic thinking off

70 posted on 02/10/2006 7:08:25 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why is Paul Craig Roberts such an assclown?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

LOL!

Ya got me on that one --I was actually putting together a scathing reply but then I spotted the /tag at the end.

I need to relax more.


71 posted on 02/10/2006 7:34:31 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
I need to relax more.

It's Friday, less caffeine is good. LOL!

72 posted on 02/10/2006 7:41:06 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why is Paul Craig Roberts such an assclown?)
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To: sgribbley
You preach for a smaller gov't(which I'm for 100%) but don't have a problem with one of the biggest potential threats to our own personal liberties.

An evil President doesn't need the Patriot Act to do evil things. Did Bill need the Patriot Act to get the FBI files? Did Bill need the Patriot Act to use the IRS against conservatives?

The best way to stop Hillary from using the Patriot Act to do evil is to stop Hillary from becoming President.

76 posted on 02/10/2006 8:31:39 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why is Paul Craig Roberts such an assclown?)
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To: sgribbley
Do you claim that if the Patriot Act expired that a President Hillary couldn't still do the things you fear?
78 posted on 02/10/2006 8:48:21 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why is Paul Craig Roberts such an assclown?)
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To: sgribbley
I was against it from the beginning....

Good.   So all this stuff about having to repeal future bad laws that might be written possibly in the future is just a smokescreen.

There are lots of Democrats who opposed the Patriot Act from the beginning too-- even before they read it.  I get the idea that you have very strong feelings, but I can't quite tell what (or if) you've actually thought about it  Maybe you have serious concerns with every single provision of the original current law as well as all the entire texts of all four versions pending or maybe there's just some parts that you've opposed from the beginning.  When I read in your post "911 never would have happened if the FBI, Cia, military would have worked together",  I thought you'd have wanted to keep SEC. 203. AUTHORITY TO SHARE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE INFORMATION.   

If you ever get a chance, please share with us just what specific provision is so objectionable that you'd be willing to rebuild Clinton's wall and risk another 9/11.

79 posted on 02/10/2006 9:54:27 AM PST by expat_panama
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