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English immersion or bilingual education? Texas' education board asks which is best
Corpus Christi Caller-Times/AP ^ | February 2, 2006

Posted on 02/02/2006 9:34:51 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

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1 posted on 02/02/2006 9:34:53 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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It is about freakin' time. No more spanish except as an elective.


2 posted on 02/02/2006 9:35:43 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: SwinneySwitch

Immersion works


3 posted on 02/02/2006 9:36:37 AM PST by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot and a new member of Sam's Club)
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To: SwinneySwitch
A country made up of immigrants and these eggheads really have to ask this question!
duh.
4 posted on 02/02/2006 9:38:20 AM PST by socialismisinsidious (Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Make em learn English.

We now have lots of Spanish only signs and billboards all over the Texas area. Lots of "immigrants" don't even bother to try and learn or speak English. And they're getting away with it.
5 posted on 02/02/2006 9:40:02 AM PST by garyhope (Happy, healthy, prosperous New Year to all good Freepers and our brave military.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
It's a scientifically proven fact that kids who are neurologically intact and reasonably intelligent learn languages very easily and very quickly.

Immersion is the correct way for the kids...."bilingual" is the correct way for teachers' unions that want to expand their membership and increase their dues revenue.

6 posted on 02/02/2006 9:40:03 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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"BiLingual Education", Illiteracy in two languages.


7 posted on 02/02/2006 9:41:22 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Related post by Cincinatus' Wife.

Bilingual classes to get second look

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1569252/posts


8 posted on 02/02/2006 9:43:34 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Liberals-beyond your expectations!)
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I used to teach school 1973-1975 in Texas. I remember, for example, a student named Gilbert. CUTE little kindergarten boy, who had just moved from Mexico. Didn't speak a word of English other than CAR! He loved American cars. I saw him a year or so later and he was 100% totally fluent in English. It works when in total immersion. I am moving to Italy soon and I am taking Italian NOW. I don't even visit another country without knowing basic conversation!


9 posted on 02/02/2006 9:43:47 AM PST by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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I am moving to Italy soon and I am taking Italian NOW. I don't even visit another country without knowing basic conversation!

I read a piece in the Scientific American some time ago which addressed the "neurobiology" of language acquisition. The piece essentially said that the brain of a prepubescent child is somehow chemically attuned to learning languages but that something happens to the brain during/after puberty which changes that substantially.

10 posted on 02/02/2006 9:49:07 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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Bilingual education exists to provide jobs for Hispanics who speak neither good English nor good Spanish.


11 posted on 02/02/2006 9:53:32 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Chemistry aside, my experience is that a family must have a HIGH culture before the child can be truly bilingual.


12 posted on 02/02/2006 9:58:38 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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Chemistry aside, my experience is that a family must have a HIGH culture before the child can be truly bilingual.

I guess it depends on how you define "truly".If the kid's exposed to nothing but Spanish at home and nothing but English at school he's likely to gain at least a pretty good (if not very good) command of both languages.

13 posted on 02/02/2006 10:05:06 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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He will seldom be equally proficient in both languages.


14 posted on 02/02/2006 10:16:00 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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A person is seldom required to be "eqaually proficient" in two languages.

A simple "proficient" in English would suffice.

My own experience is the reverse of this: at age 8, my family moved to Brazil, and our training in Portuguese came from a Berlitz book on the voyage by ship from New York to Sao Paulo.
Once in Brazil, we settled in an "Interior" town where we were the only Americans, Ponta Grossa, and I went to school there.

In a short time I was sufficently "proficient" to play with other kids my age, to learn math and science, and to read along with the other kids Brazilian history, songs, etc.

I went to and from school on the city buses, and generally got along well, except when some stranger mistook me for one of those much-reviled Germans!

Needless to say, we continued to speak mostly English at home, except with the maid and the yardman; even my mother learned very passable Portuguese. My younger brother and sister, however, grew up speaking mostly Portuguese, and when we returned to the U.S. several years later were at a bit of a handicap in school - for about two months.


15 posted on 02/02/2006 10:32:24 AM PST by Redbob
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When rich white liberals want their kids to learn a language, they ship their kids to an emersion course in Europe.

When rich white liberals want brown kids to learn English, they give them bilingual education.
16 posted on 02/02/2006 10:43:07 AM PST by horse_doc
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The problem arises when two linguistic communities are contending for power. I am thinking of Quebec and Belgium. An individual family find it easier to assimilate when no political advantage is gained by mastery of one language as opposed to another.


17 posted on 02/02/2006 10:47:52 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I knew a family who moved to Texas from Mexico who had a lot of kids. They all learned English in no time. The one who was ten years old spoke perfect English and perfect Spanish without accent. Sounded like a native speaker in both languages. I think age ten is a perfect age to learn a new language. As a person with a degree in Spanish, who is now learning Italian, I think we can all learn a new language at any time. Ciao!


18 posted on 02/02/2006 10:51:27 AM PST by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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Maybe so. But it is always possible to learn a new language. I am STUMBLING my way through learning Italian, and I had Latin and have a degree in Spanish. It stimulates the brain when you bother to learn a new language. I am working hard on pronunciation as I learn the new words. The woman sitting next to me in Italian class yesterday is pronouncing the words like English. She isn't even TRYING. I won't sit by her next time. LOL She kept throwing me off.


19 posted on 02/02/2006 10:53:26 AM PST by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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Nearly every 7 year old in the world wants to learn English. 95% of the internet and music and tv and the movies, let alone commerce and science are all in English.
The problem is government bureacracy forcing people to do what they don't want to do. Free markets work, just get government out of the education business and all will be wiell.


20 posted on 02/02/2006 11:23:39 AM PST by genghis
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