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To: Uncle Jaque
Although not a .45, perhaps one of the greatest handgun bargains of the year is the Czech surplus CZ-52 in .30 Tokarev or 7.63 X 25mm.

It is accurate and flat-shooting, and will get the attention of the other shooters on the line with it's muzzle blast and orange fireball eminating from the muzzle.

I call mine my "Pocket Carbine".
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The .30 Tok is a really hot little round, which is sparking a renewed interest in the gun world.

Milspec .30 Tok has a velocity of around 1600 FPS with a 90 grain bullet, producing a ME of about 550 foot-pounds.

It has a reputation for "overpenetration" with the FMJ/RN projectile

I knew someone who had an A/D with one (dropped it, it went off), he was lucky -- the bullet went through his leg bone, into his knee, through his knee bone, out his leg, into a 4x4 stud, through the stud, and for all I know is still in low earth orbit. It's an amazingly powerfull "little" round.

It is not the gun to take bowling pin "hunting", though. I saw bowling pins that never even twitched when hit. The bullets went clean through them so fast that there was no visible movement to the pin whatsoever.

"Pocket Carbine" is not much of a stretch from what I've seen of them. I don't know about its value as a personal defense weapon, though, unless its incredible overpenetration could be tamed by expanding ammunition. (And if they do become popular, I'd expect to see them demonized (and probably outlawed) as "cop-killer" guns because of their ability to penetrate most soft body armor.)

235 posted on 02/03/2006 7:26:38 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe; Uncle Jaque
Boy, I really screwed up the attributions in that post (#235), didn't I.

Too bad there's no "edit" function here. :(

If anyone's scratching their head after reading it, the original poster's material (Uncle Jaque) began with this:

Although not a .45, perhaps one of the greatest handgun bargains of the year is the Czech surplus CZ-52 in .30 Tokarev or 7.63 X 25mm.

And, ended with this:

It has a reputation for "overpenetration" with the FMJ/RN projectile

Everything following was my actual reply.

Argh..

242 posted on 02/03/2006 9:36:40 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe; Squantos; Eaker; TC Rider; Tijeras_Slim

Take that .30 Tok, pull the bullet, replace with a .30 saboted 52 gr. .224 bullet. Now ya got something interesting to play with.


254 posted on 03/13/2006 2:09:47 PM PST by TEXASPROUD
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