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To: A. Pole
So maybe it was a mistake not to compromize with PLA?
1. Israel tried. In exchange for offering 90% of Gaza and 80% of the West Bank, the PLA let loose its soldiers on Israeli civilians and soldiers in 2000.
2. I support the relocation of Arabs, not Jews.
236 posted on 02/01/2006 8:49:26 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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"So maybe it was a mistake not to compromize with PLA?" 1. Israel tried. [...]

Paradoxically it is easier for Hamas to make compromise same way as it was easier for Likud/Sharon. Why? Because PLO was undercut by the more radical Hamas (the reason why Israel secretly supported Hamas in the past) and Labor was undercut by Likud.

One of the rules of politics is that hard and necessary steps are to be made by the parties which oppose them.

2. I support the relocation of Arabs, not Jews.

You may say it, because you are not in position of power and responsibility (or at least not officially here :) ). Israeli leaders in power can say at most "we wish the relocation of Arabs were possible".

To all you pro-Israeli guys who bash Buchanan. Sometimes it is better to have open critic and opponent who want to engage you into debate, than fake friends you "support" you through unanimous 100% resolutions because they fear to lose their seats.

Reread his statements without prejudice and you might find some valid points nobody else dares to present. And the last but not the least: do you think that future Israeli/US policy will go along the "the relocation of Arabs, not Jews" or more along what Buchanan propose? I would not bet in your place :)

Things look differently "in the plaza" than "in the palace". Below is the related passage from Machiavelli Discourses (Book I, chapter XLVII:

After one thousand four hundred fourteen (1414) when the Princes of the City had been driven from Florence, and no other government having been instituted, but rather a certain ambitious license, and public affairs going from bad to worse, many of the populari seeing the ruin of the City and not understanding the cause, they blamed the ambitions of some powerful one who would feed the disorders in order to be able to make a State to his own liking and take away their liberty: and there were those who went through the loggias and the plazas speaking ill of many Citizens, and threatening them that if they should ever find themselves (members) of the Signoria, they would uncover this deceit of theirs and would castigate them.

It often happened that ones like these did ascend to the supreme Magistracy, and when they had risen to that position and saw things more closely, they recognized whence disorders arose, and the dangers that hung over them, and the difficulty of remedying them. And seeing that the times and not the men were causing the disorders, they quickly were of another mind and acted otherwise, because the knowledge of things in particular had taken away that deception which, in the general consideration, they had presupposed.

So that those who at first ((when he was a private citizen)) heard him speak, and afterwards saw them remain quiet in the supreme Magistracy, believed that this resulted not by the more real knowledge of things, but from their having been perverted and corrupted by the Nobles. And as this happened to many men and many times, there arose among them a proverb, which said: These men have one mind in the plaza and another in the palace. Considering, therefore, all that has been discussed, it is seen that the quickest possible way to open the eyes of the People, is by finding a way ((seeing that a generality deceives them)) in which they should have to descend to particulars [...]

249 posted on 02/02/2006 6:18:55 AM PST by A. Pole (The freemarketeers are economic men, greedy, rational and controlled by the invisible hand market.)
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