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Buchanan defends foreign aid – for Hamas
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 02/01/2006 | Patrick Buchanan

Posted on 02/01/2006 10:09:49 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: finnman69
It is ironic that those who resort to name calling such as calling Pat a Nazi are themselves Nazi-like in how they attack the opinions of others.It would be nice if a reasonable exchange of ideas were possible. But, it looks as if this board at least on this subject has deteriorated into a Yahoo message board. I thought free republic was above this.
121 posted on 02/01/2006 12:26:01 PM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: SirLinksalot

And to think there were actually otherwise straight thinkers that actually supported this anti-semite yahoo for President. Talk about your proverbial "What the hell were you thinking" moment.


122 posted on 02/01/2006 12:30:37 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Courdeleon02

Pat Buchanan would be treated with respect if he did not make such asinine comments. Plus, he is a not so closeted jew-hater.


123 posted on 02/01/2006 12:30:46 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: SirLinksalot

Why does Pat Buchanan give the Jew-hating Hamas more benefit of the doubt than he gave to G. W. Bush in 2000?

If the leader of Hamas was named Bush, I don't think Pat would be so charitible.


124 posted on 02/01/2006 12:30:51 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: SirLinksalot

What Buchanon and the state epartment crowd do not realize is that the problem IS the aid that was given in the first place! The Palestinian people would be much better off today if the EU, US and arab countries had not given a cent to the PA:

http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm



125 posted on 02/01/2006 12:31:53 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: el_texicano
Pat is an idiot...occasionally he comes out with a jewel

In the South they say, "Even a blind hog can occaisionally find an acorn."

126 posted on 02/01/2006 12:33:42 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: SirLinksalot

And people wonder why Pat is called an Anti Semite?


127 posted on 02/01/2006 12:33:51 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Courdeleon02

ON JEWS:

Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory."
(St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90)

During the Gulf crisis: "There are only two groups that are beating
the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and
its 'amen corner' in the United States." ("McLaughlin Group," 8/26/90)

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and
genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's
success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an
intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness
masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood
in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92)

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the
historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel
exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide
to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in
the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter
and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist
concoction.

Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of
Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was
"running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)

Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests
-- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried.
At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that
they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase
"Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was
credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at
Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration
camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96)

After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the
controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote:
"If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate
as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of
New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him
'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be
not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests
ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic,
10/22/90)

The Buchanan '96 campaign's World Wide Web site included an article
blaming the death of White House aide Vincent Foster on the Israeli
intelligence agency, Mossad -- and alleging that Foster and Hillary
Clinton were Mossad spies. (The campaign removed the article after its
existence was reported by a Jewish on-line news service; Jewish Telegraphic
Agency, 2/21/96.)

In his September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan
declared: "Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our
religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." (ADL
Report, 1994)


128 posted on 02/01/2006 12:34:32 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: SirLinksalot
What will Hamas do? Hamas will accept the cut-off of aid, seek money from the Saudis and Iranians, do their best to keep the Palestinian people fed, clothed, housed and educated, and sacrifice for their people. And Hamas will fail. And when they fail, whom do we think will be blamed? When the Palestinian people have been broken because they voted the wrong way, whom do we think they will hate?

The expectations by the Palestinians for Hamas' success is off the scale. They can't do anything but fail relative to the "dream".

When Hamas falls on their face, ( and they will) the Palestinians must not think we pushed them. If we have a commitment, we should honor it. Then explain future help has strings attached. If the Iranians give them money, put out the word to unemployed young Iranians that we know where their money is going - half to corrupt Mullah's, half to Arabs. That''ll thrill them...

Think of Hamas as nasty teenager who wants to blame Mom for his own screw-ups. Grab some popcorn...

129 posted on 02/01/2006 12:34:45 PM PST by GOPJ (Massachusetts: where fat drunks are elected, and reelected, and reelected and reelected and ree)
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To: SirLinksalot
What will Hamas do? Hamas will accept the cut-off of aid, seek money from the Saudis and Iranians, do their best to keep the Palestinian people fed, clothed, housed and educated, and sacrifice for their people. And Hamas will fail. And when they fail, whom do we think will be blamed? When the Palestinian people have been broken because they voted the wrong way, whom do we think they will hate?

The expectations by the Palestinians for Hamas' success is off the scale. They can't do anything but fail relative to the "dream".

When Hamas falls on their face, ( and they will) the Palestinians must not think we pushed them. If we have a commitment, we should honor it. Then explain future help has strings attached. If the Iranians give them money, put out the word to unemployed young Iranians that we know where their money is going - half to corrupt Mullah's, half to Arabs. That''ll thrill them...

Think of Hamas as a nasty teenager who wants to blame Mom for all screw-ups. Grab some popcorn...

130 posted on 02/01/2006 12:36:15 PM PST by GOPJ (Massachusetts: where fat drunks are elected, and reelected, and reelected and reelected and ree)
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To: Publius Maximus
”I must confess his reasoning is appealing. I hope rather than savage his suggestion we consider it seriously. We do not need to appear to be rejecting a democratically elected government, do we?”

You forgot to put /sarcasm at the end. Unless you believe it is acceptable to vote in a party that wants to kill off race of people?

131 posted on 02/01/2006 12:38:06 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: rmlew
Your reply is predictable.All of what you said I am aware of. My point is that Hamas should be given a chance to act politically instead of as a terrorist organization. The IRA was once a terrorist group, now Sinn
Fein is a political movement. Israeli PM Begin was also a former terrorist having killed British soldiers in bombings prior to the establishment of the State of Israel.We will know shortly if there is any hint of a desire to negotiate a fair settlement for all parties concerned. As to Jewish land purchased on the west bank would you also consider Arab land that was confiscated by Israel. This is an issue that too complex and is best settled by clearly drawn boundaries. Once peace is declared both nations can move closer to each other in a spirit of cooperation.
132 posted on 02/01/2006 12:39:15 PM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: Irontank
Well, I believe your factual quote is incorrect, but I concur Saddam got a mixed signal. On the other hand, given that nothing he has done since has made a great deal of sense to our analysts/common sense, I'm not sure an unequivocal response would have been correctly understood.

So, in the aftermath of 9-11, we should have turned the other cheek? Sorry I don't buy it. I think Saddam got what he deserved, maybe not all of it, but enough, to date, pending the outcome of the trial. Only the perceptions of the moderate Arabs is of account - those of the zealots can only be changed at the end of a barrel/bayonet.

As to the Iraqi perception of us, I truly believe it will be just fine, as long as we are moderately successful and withdraw. We can only do so much. They must eventually pick up the responsibility and I believe they are beginning to do just that.

Second and third order effects are the result of any/all human interaction. Some foreseeable and/or good, some not and/or bad. If we hadn't acted in WWI, who knows where things may have ended up. But failing to have acted in WWII would have been catastrophic. Korea and Vietnam are a mixed bag. One might even claim the vote is still out on Korea. A pretty strong case has been made that Vietnam was only a problem because we lost political will.

I fear I would concur that isolationism is not a good thing. To suggest it is necessary because all results haven't been perfect or that all have been bad, I think is intellectually dishonest.

133 posted on 02/01/2006 12:40:12 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: rmlew
"Actually, a Hamas victory and support for them is the logical result of democratism. Our reaction should be to turn away from this suicidal behavior. Pat is as wrong as Bush."

What do you suggest we do?

134 posted on 02/01/2006 12:42:09 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: traderrob6

Exactly right. After all, Hugo Chavez won a democratic election, didn't he? /sarcasm


135 posted on 02/01/2006 12:44:10 PM PST by kellynch (I am excessively diverted. ~~Jane Austen)
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To: finnman69
>>>>>>In his September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan declared: "Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." (ADL Report, 1994)

Well, this may have upset Abe Foxman, but Buchanan was on target. Western culture is superior, and Christianity is the prime ingredient of Western culture.

136 posted on 02/01/2006 12:52:54 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Courdeleon02
>>>>>>I think Buchanan makes some telling points here.

Yes, he does. Buchanan isn't advocating new aid for Hamas, he's saying we shouldn't cut off the aid we already committed to giving to the Palestinian Authority. If you do that, we look like hypocrites, advocating democracy except when we don't like the results. Now, I happen to believe that we shouldn't be in the democrary-exporting business in the first place, but if you've made that the rationale for America's actions in the Mideast, cutting off aid to Hamas becuase we disapprove of them certainly helps undermine that effort.

137 posted on 02/01/2006 12:58:00 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Courdeleon02
The IRA was once a terrorist group, now Sinn Fein is a political movement.

Point of order. The IRA and Sinn Fein have always been two sides of the same coin. There is no "was once" versus "now" there.

Sinn Fein was constituted as the "political" wing of the IRA. Sort of like the "legitimate" businesses that are fronts for the mob

Another good example, IMO, is the Earth Liberation Front and PETA.
138 posted on 02/01/2006 12:59:08 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: finnman69

Well that was a mouth full I must say. I must congratulate you on how you were able to twist and distort and to use half truths to make it appear that Pat is anti-semitic. You seem to say that if Pat disagress with Israel or if he has an issue with Jews or the actions of some Jews then you are are anti-semitic. So you say that if you disagree with what a Jew says you immediately become a Jew hater. That is ridiculous. Buchanan has never never denied the holocaust.I could easily take what you said and turn it around and make you look anti-christian.I will however not resort to the same tactic as you did. By the way Mr.Goerbels was also good at that as well.You sir are simply wrong.


139 posted on 02/01/2006 1:00:54 PM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: Thorin

ping


140 posted on 02/01/2006 1:04:20 PM PST by Courdeleon02
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