To: Syncretic
Here is a short list of things I find offensive about Darwinists:
And here is the rebuttal:
1)Claiming to know what God does or does not do. Claiming to know what God does or does not do is not of science but of the philosophy of theology and argument. Science is restricted to material things and is simply the observation of fact, evidence, empirical evidence and the possible logical deducted explanation of fact, evidence and empirical evidence which constitutes theory. It does not claim anything. Explanation or theories change when fact, evidence, empirical evidence, or there is a better logical deduction.
2) The assertion that they alone can judge what is science and what is not science. The scientific method and science is of philosophy. It is the study of material things that exist in fact, or that there is evidence or empirical evidence for existence. Science is the examination of things known. Philosophy is the examination of things not known. What is science and what is not science has been defined for thousands of years and has not changed. It was not defined by science but by the philosophical thought of science.
3) Science holier than thou. The assertion or impression that scientists are selfless, noble, kind, generous seekers of truth. Barf alert. There is nothing that would prevent thou from being selfless, noble, kind and a generous seeker of truth other than thou's own thoughts, philosophy and action.
4) Refusal to debate intelligent design proponents. This is offensive to American tradition. I suspect the refusal stems mainly from cowardice. I would debate by philosophy or by science!! We can start with philosophy and argue proofs for and against the existence of ID by observance and logical deduction. Or we can start with science if there is fact, evidence, or empirical evidence that ID exists as a material thing. We could argue the explanation of such evidence if it exists. Name calling however is but the result of one's own ignorance and more of a American tradition that would ignore the rules and premises for debate that have existed for thousands of years.
5)Intellectual bullying. Ichneumon's long posts are Exhibit A. It's very ugly and it's outside both American and Christian tradition to behave this way. It's a leftist type of tactic: shouting down the opponent. Intellectual bullying is suffered by those who lack the skills, knowledge, and logical deduction for argument or debate and in fact is not bullying at all but simply that one suffers from the inability to refute argument or debate. Name calling or accusation is the result of the inability to refute argument and debate.
6)Stepping out of their proper role. The role of biologists should be a humble one: to work on developing useful medicines, hardy plant and animal varieties, and a general understanding of life. They have no role in politics, religion or education. The role of a biologist is defined and his work has to adhere to the scientific method. His Politics, religion or education like yours is but philosophy and is comprised of faith, belief, thought, opinion, and indoctrination and would be one's own philosophy. Is your argument that one should be deprive of their own philosophy and forced to accept yours? Your statement "We have local school control for a reason." says it all. You seek control of all thoughts, philosophy, science, and propaganda which are not of your own opinion and would yourself be the Emperor. You reveal yourself with your own thought.
6) Assertions of the truth of evolutionary theory on the basis that it has been "widely accepted" or "believed by all scientists." The Communist Manifesto was also believed by all members of the Supreme Soviet. That did not make it true. Darwinists should not claim something is scientifically true until they can actually prove it. That they do otherwise is very offensive to me. Your assertions of truth would leave one amazed. Science does not proclaim any truths. In fact truth is not a word used in science. Again scientific theory is the best explanation for fact, evidence, and empirical evidence for a material thing. It is never asserted as proof and that it is asserted is only of your opinion. Argument and thought are offensive to you because you lack the ability to refute argument and thought. You would accuse others of offense when it is but the result of your own performance that is the culprit and is the offense.
83 posted on
02/01/2006 12:38:21 PM PST by
jec41
(Screaming Eagle)
To: jec41
5)Intellectual bullying. Ichneumon's long posts are Exhibit A. Nonsense. There are many posts on these threads denying the evidence for evolution. He demonstrates the falsity of these claims. Then people whine that he presents too much material. Boo fricken hoo.
2) The assertion that they alone can judge what is science and what is not science. The scientific method and science is of philosophy.
Sorry, but the molecular biologists, anatomists and palentologists display a *much* better knowledge of "the scientific method" that the creationist/ID types on these threads, who are happy to ignore this method and rewrite the laws of physics, thermodynamics etc when their particular understanding of the bible.
4) Refusal to debate intelligent design proponents.
a) Should they debate astrologers also? They have just as much scientific evidence.
b) Unlike many of the ID proponents, most working scientists have useful work that needs to get done.
6)Stepping out of their proper role. The role of biologists should be a humble one: to work on developing useful medicines, hardy plant and animal varieties, and a general understanding of life.
Sez who? And if the study of evolution and the origin of species isn't "and a general understanding of life.", what is?
86 posted on
02/01/2006 12:49:22 PM PST by
blowfish
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