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To: shuckmaster
The problem that most fence sitters have is that they're not really fence sitters - ever notice how none of them ever have a list of questions for creationists to clear up?
23 posted on 02/01/2006 8:39:41 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Good point. All they need to do is actually go into Patrick Henry's or Ichnemon's personal sites on FR and start reading for themselves.


25 posted on 02/01/2006 8:42:42 AM PST by hawkaw
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To: Senator Bedfellow
ever notice how none of them ever have a list of questions for creationists to clear up?

Yep!

27 posted on 02/01/2006 8:57:31 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
The problem that most fence sitters have is that they're not really fence sitters - ever notice how none of them ever have a list of questions for creationists to clear up?

I have a list. How do you prove God exists, ID exists, or creation exists? Did ID design God? Is ID God? If God created everything other than himself who created God? Does ID have a agenda? What is the ID agenda? Does creation have a agenda? What is the creation agenda? What is the philosophy of philosophy? What is the agenda of philosophy? What is the philosophy of science? What is the agenda of science? What is the philosophy of mathematics? What is the agenda of Mathematics? What is the philosophy of all theology? What is the hidden philosophy of theology? What is the agenda of theology? Are faith and belief only thoughts of philosophy? Are there any proofs that would verify faith and belief?

If the answer to all of the above is but faith and belief
in the thoughts and opinions of yourself they are irrelevant except that you aspire to a philosophy of your own opinion. However if you can provide proof or truth or refute any proof or truth of the above questions the world would be eternally grateful and we would all aspire to the same thoughts.
36 posted on 02/01/2006 9:32:55 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
The problem that most fence sitters have is that they're not really fence sitters - ever notice how none of them ever have a list of questions for creationists to clear up?

There are no questions for creationists to clear up because every question has the same answer -- God did it.

41 posted on 02/01/2006 10:35:56 AM PST by atlaw
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To: Senator Bedfellow
The problem that most fence sitters have is that they're not really fence sitters - ever notice how none of them ever have a list of questions for creationists to clear up?

Don't get mad at me when you see me using variants of this statement over the next 10 yrs here.
123 posted on 02/01/2006 3:38:31 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: Senator Bedfellow
In truth, these threads have been very informative for me. I'm not a fence sitter at all. I have come to reconcile these two approaches based on my own personal experiences.

While there are "holes" in Darwin's theory of evolution, there is an overwhelming body of evidence to support it. I just happen to think that God had a hand in starting it all, and nudging things along. (FTR, I believe that the ToE deserves to be in the classroom; I don't support the teaching of ID until there is a substantial body of credible evidence to support it - we are nowhere near that at this time, and may never be there).

Quick story...after several unsuccessful years of trying and praying, I had given up on having any children. Finally, I turned to God and asked Him which way He wanted me to go: adopt, wait, or not have children and be a parent figure to other people's children. Show me Your will, God, and I will obey, just give me a sign.

Two weeks later, a little voice inside my head kept saying, "Tonight!" It wasn't one of our usual nights, and my ovulation test kit said I wasn't ready, but the persistent sensation continued. I called my husband and told him forget about the overtime, be home by midnight...tonight was the night!

My husband and I woke up knowing that I was pregnant. An EPT confirmed it two weeks later. Three of my children made it into this world; in the case of all three, both my husband and I looked at each other the following morning and agreed that I was pregnant. Ironically, the same could not be said for the two that didn't survive.

Now perhaps it was my sensitivity to the chemical changes that begin immediately upon conception, or my husband possibly possessing superior olfactory abilities that allowed him to detect the chemical change through scent, that explains why we both knew we were going to have another child. Nevertheless, we both believe God had a hand in bringing us together on those nights, and sparked life within me.

Last November, I gave birth to our third (a son), another blessing from God. Aside from his slightly darker eye color, he is IDENTICAL in looks to my first son, despite 5 years separating them. Newborns' faces can change rapidly as they grow; even his changes are identical to my first son. I have to write his name on the back of all his pictures, because if I were to show you a picture of my firstborn, and then my second son, you would easily believe they are the same child.

That is evolution. That amazing family resemblance is the combination of my husband's DNA and my DNA. If anyone other than my husband had fathered my child, he would not be a miniature copy of his older brother. The DNA of the father would alter the child's appearance, body type, etc.

So you see, I don't have a problem with either. I don't think the two have to be antithetical to each other. I don't discount the impact of evolution in the formation of our world, while at the same time firmly believing that God grants life and shaped the world around us.

If you get to know me better, Senator, you will find that I am typically NOT this agreeable to many things. I have very sharp, distinct, very ultra-conservative views on a wide variety of issues. I probably should not be posting this, because I'm sure to catch flack from one side or the other!

354 posted on 02/02/2006 9:26:16 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 12 Years)
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