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Discovery's Creation [The rise & fall of the Discovery Institute]
Seattle Weekly ^ | 01 February 2006 | Roger Downey

Posted on 02/01/2006 6:32:25 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Elsie
This ain't Genesis.

You do understand that Timothy was written centuries after Genesis, and undoubtedly got the information from there?

Elsie, you are a Bible worshiper. You don't worship God or Jesus, you worship the Bible.

381 posted on 02/03/2006 8:02:31 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: dread78645
... at numerous places where scientists like Dean Kenyon, Charles Thaxton, Walter Bradley and others were developing and researching the theory. Discovery's Center for Science & Culture was started in 1995 not 1998.

Of course, back in 1995 they still had that pesky "Renewal" in there ;^)

382 posted on 02/03/2006 8:30:21 AM PST by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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To: Skywalk
But simply dismissing a fair-toned article because you don't like that it isn't positively glowing about DI suggests that you will attack and ignore ANYTHING that doesn't support your ultimate objectives, which is why no one actually RESPONDS and DISSECTS Ich's posts but just complains cuz they're "so long."

No, what it means is I have principles. I would never post an article from a whackjob source just because it supports my cause. I would not post an article from Hillary Clinton or Al Gore or John Kerry or Charlie Manson or the ACLU just because it supports my point of view. For me, the ends do not justify the means.

For some evos, the ends do justify the means and they would post an article from a serial killer if it supported the evo point of view.
383 posted on 02/03/2006 8:48:24 AM PST by microgood
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To: Elsie
You've not been looking.

Been looking, but there's nothing to see.

You can't provide an example, so you must agree.

384 posted on 02/03/2006 9:07:57 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Elsie
(you can be more aggressive now...)

I have no idea what you mean.

385 posted on 02/03/2006 9:08:43 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: narby
You don't worship God or Jesus, you worship the Bible.

Gosh...

I wonder why??


Perhaps what the bible REVEALS might be of some interest??

You probably know WHICH 'scriptures' are referred to here:



NIV Acts 1:16-17
16.  and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus--
 17.  he was one of our number and shared in this ministry."
 
 
NIV Acts 8:32-35
32.  The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture : "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
 33.  In his humiliation he was deprived of justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth."
 34.  The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?"
 35.  Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
 
 
NIV Acts 17:2-4
2.  As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
 3.  explaining and proving that the Christ  had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ, " he said.
 4.  Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women.
 
 
NIV Acts 17:11-12
11.  Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
 12.  Many of the Jews believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.
 
 
NIV Acts 18:24-28
24.  Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures.
 25.  He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor  and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John.
 26.  He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.
 27.  When Apollos wanted to go to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples there to welcome him. On arriving, he was a great help to those who by grace had believed.
 28.  For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
 
 
NIV Romans 1:1-4
 1.  Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God--
 2.  the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 
 3.  regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,
 4.  and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
 
NIV Romans 4:3-8
3.  What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
 4.  Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.
 5.  However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
 6.  David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
 7.  "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
 8.  Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him."
 
 
NIV Romans 10:11-13
 11.  As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
 12.  For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
 13.  for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
 
 
NIV Romans 15:3-4
 3.  For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
 4.  For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
NIV 1 Corinthians 15:3-5
 3.  For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
 4.  that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures ,
 5.  and that he appeared to Peter,  and then to the Twelve.
 
 
NIV Galatians 3:8
  The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."
 
 
NIV Galatians 3:16
 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed,"  meaning one person, who is Christ.
 
 
NIV Galatians 3:22
   But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
 
 
NIV 2 Timothy 3:14-15
 14.  But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,
 15.  and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
 
 
NIV 1 Peter 2:4-8
 4.  As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him--
 5.  you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
 6.  For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
 7.  Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
 8.  and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.
 
 
NIV 2 Peter 3:16
  He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
 
 
Once again; your arguement isn't with me, but the Bible writers....
 
 

386 posted on 02/03/2006 10:58:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: highball
You can't provide an example, so you must agree.

Nyah, nyah, nyah; recess is over.

387 posted on 02/03/2006 11:00:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: highball

figgers...


388 posted on 02/03/2006 11:00:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
Nyah, nyah, nyah; recess is over.

I'm at a loss to understand where these puerile taunts come from.

Do you really think that asking someone to support their statements with actual facts is somehow unfair?

389 posted on 02/03/2006 11:18:42 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: editor-surveyor

They print what they would like to be true....but hey, negative publicity is publicity and maybe some true "free thinkers" might check out all the truthful science at Discovery.


390 posted on 02/03/2006 11:34:02 AM PST by caffe
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To: highball
I'm at a loss to understand where these puerile taunts come from.

I beleive you!

391 posted on 02/03/2006 11:39:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

I really wish you would stick to the facts and drop the childish taunts. They don't become you.

You made a statement of fact. I asked you to provide evidence to support your claim. You have refused to do so, and started this schoolyard tangent.

I would still like you to provide some evidence to support your statement of fact, if you are able.


392 posted on 02/03/2006 12:01:46 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball
There's a reason creationists haven't come out against the series of lies told in the name of their cause, after all. We don't yet know why that should be so, but I suspect they're so short of allies they can't afford to drop any, not even the perjurers and crooks.

True as far as it goes, but there are other motivations as well. People who attack evolution in the name of religion on these threads are "witnessing." There is an acknowledged tradition of not criticizing "witnessing" pretty much no matter how bad it gets.

That's just another problem with mixing religion and science.

393 posted on 02/03/2006 5:57:56 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Syncretic

"I will pray for you and I encourage other Freepers to do the same."

Amen to that. I am convinced that the only thing that can change the thinking of a die hard totally naturalistic atheist proponent of evolution is an act of divine intervention. It takes God to change the heart. I, in my poor power, just can't accomplish it no matter how clever or learned my writings may be (potentially speaking). It must be all of God.

I do still admire those that try to change minds towards a view that tracks with scripture. Although, I think their efforts do more to gird up the faith of Bible believers under wordly seige than to change the mind of those that don't believe scripture or have a low view of it.


394 posted on 02/03/2006 6:00:56 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Elsie
Book of Pasta: Chapter 23.
1. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is my buddy; I shall not starve.
2. He maketh me to lie in green parsley: He leadeth me beside marinara.
3. He filleth my stomach: He leadeth me in the paths of satire for entertainment's sake.
4. Yea, though I walk through the world of the low-carb craze, I will fear no diet: for thou art with me; thy noodly appendage it comforts me.
5. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of Parmesan: thou annointest my salad with oil; my beer foameth over.
6. Surely meatballs and garlic will follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of good food forever.

RAmen.


395 posted on 02/03/2006 6:26:03 PM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: Porterville

PH is a bot, I think.


396 posted on 02/03/2006 6:42:24 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Tancredo for President.)
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To: Syncretic

Them Darwinists tends to be robotoids in thinking and behavior. I don't pray for metal.


397 posted on 02/03/2006 6:44:52 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Tancredo for President.)
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To: highball

Lies! All lies!

That's what you anti-God Darwinistinians are best at doing - lies, distortions and speaking the untruth.


398 posted on 02/03/2006 6:47:31 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Tancredo for President.)
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To: dread78645
Then maybe Dr. Stephen C. Meyer ought to update his bio on the Access Research Network.

He might or someone at ARN should, but does not make the article correct. BTW here is the text from the who is page for Meyer from ARN

Meet Stephen C. Meyer Ph. D., History and Philosophy of Science, Cambridge University, 1990. Steve is an associate editor of Origins & Design magazine, and an Associate Professor of Philosophy at Whitworth College. He is a Senior Research Fellow of the Discovery Institute in Seattle. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Previous Page ] [ Return to About ARN page ] [ ARN home page ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4.8.97

Notice the 4.8.97?

... detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred, is that correct?
...supportive of intelligent design,

Notice a difference of degree?

This is what the judge states

The evidence presented in this case demonstrates that ID is not supported by any peer-reviewed research, data or publications.

Check out the Discovery link. http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2640 . You can judge for yourself whether the publications are in a peer-reviewed publication.

True enough. It was at SMU

Nope still wrong. Wedge does not equal ID.

As for 1995 and your papers comment, similar to Wedge <> ID, Discovery <> ID.

399 posted on 02/03/2006 7:02:20 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: TheBrotherhood
Lies! All lies!

Yes, they were lies. Lies told after swearing an oath to God to tell the truth. Shame, shame on them.

Shows how little regard the creationists in that case had for both, doesn't it?

Unfortunately for them, and for you, and for creationists everywhere, those lies were told in open court. Those lies were told in a public forum, where they can't run from them, can't hide from them.

The fact that creationists don't denounce those lies, and that there are some who defend those lies, and that there are even some who are willing to lie themselves, that all tells us a lot.

That's what you anti-God Darwinistinians are best at doing - lies, distortions and speaking the untruth.

You are compounding their lies by adding your own. The public record is out there - your own false witness can be too easily exposed for what it is.

400 posted on 02/03/2006 7:26:51 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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