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Good luck--Ancient Spear Weapon OK'd For Deer Hunt in Pennsylvania
Beaver County Times ^ | 1-31-06

Posted on 01/31/2006 5:35:28 PM PST by SJackson

Good luck

It's easy to understand why the Pennsylvania Game Commission gave preliminary approval to allow hunters to go after deer using an atlatl even though its staff recommended that the request be turned down: In Pennsylvania, hunters rule. But aside from reaffirming what most people already know, the eventual approval of the spear-like weapon is really insignificant.

It's hard enough as it is to get near enough to deer to get a clear shot with a rifle, muzzle loader or bow and arrow. Stalking deer, among the spookiest of God's creatures, and getting close enough to toss an atlatl at one is going to prove to be almost impossible.

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Ancient Spear Weapon OK'd For Deer Hunt in Pennsylvania Brian Handwerk for National Geographic News

January 24, 2006 Pennsylvania hunters hoping to stalk deer with Stone Age spear-throwers may get their chance later this year. Today the state's game commission gave preliminary approval for hunting deer hunting using the atlatl and dart.

The ancient weapon uses a throwing stick to propel spearlike projectiles farther and harder than hunters can with arm power alone.

The atlatl (pronounced AHT-lah-tuhl) predates the bow and arrow and was first used some 20,000 to 25,000 years ago, possibly earlier, by hunters around the world.

The weapon appeared in the Americas about the same time humans arrived. It was brought to its technological apex during thousands of years of Native American use.

"It's first and foremost a hunting weapon, and I think that naturally this is what it should be," said Jack Rowe, an atlatl enthusiast from Sayre, Pennsylvania, who lobbied for approval.

Lethal Force

Pennsylvania Game Commissioner Roxane Palone supported a study into the use of the ancient weapon. But game commission staff recommended last week that the board not allow atlatl hunting.

"It's not that we question whether the use of the atlatl and dart has the potential to harvest a deer," Pennsylvania Game Commission spokesperson Jerry Feaser said from his Harrisburg office.

"In experienced hands it is obviously a lethal enough device. However, the staff is not convinced that the atlatl and dart, in the hands of the average hunter, possesses enough lethality to ethically and humanely harvest a deer."

Pennsylvania atlatl enthusiast Gary Fogelman, who supports atlatl hunting in the state, says the hunt would allow him to hone the skills used by his ancient ancestors.

"It's simply trying to conquer a weapons technology that has been around for thousands of years and seeing if you can do it as well as others in the past did it," he said.

"It's the challenge. It certainly doesn't make [hunting] any easier. People ask, What's the advantage? There are no advantages. It makes it harder."

Fogelman disagrees with the game commission's initial concerns that the weapon lacks sufficient lethal force.

"The thing was used for probably 15,000 years by groups of people all over the world," he said. "It had to be effective, or they would have abandoned it pretty quickly."

Not for the Average Hunter

Fogelman notes that ancient hunters used atlatls to kill some of North America's largest animals, including extinct elephant-like mastodons.

More recently the weapons have been used to legally hunt deer and bison in Montana. Fogelman says he used an atlatl to hunt and kill a wild boar on a private reserve.

"The dart passed right through that wild boar quicker than quick," Fogelman said. "The people who are concerned about lethality have obviously never seen an atlatl operate."

To succeed, atlatl hunters must get close to their prey. Rower, the Sayre, Pennsylvania, atlatl enthusiast, says an average hunter may not have much luck with the device.

"It takes some skill," Rowe explained. "Not just with the implement itself, but the skill to understand the animal that you're hunting and its behavior."

He expects only about 30 people to participate in Pennsylvania's first atlatl deer hunt.

Prehistoric Arms Race

Bob Perkins has studied the atlatl for some 20 years and builds the weapons at his company, BPS Engineering, in Manhattan, Montana.

He says the atlatl marked a breakthrough in weapons technology.

"This is the first weapon that humans developed that took us from the role of scavengers to that of full-on hunters," Perkins said. "It's a highly effective weapon."

"It's the ultimate expression of our natural attribute to throw something, to throw and kill at a distance," he added. "That's a skill that set us apart from other predators."

Perkins has been instrumental in modernizing the ancient weapon.

The two-piece device consists of a 2-foot-long (0.6-meter-long) board with a handgrip at the front end and a point, or "spur," at the back.

The spear, called the dart, is a 2- to 4-foot-long (1.2- to 1.8-meter-long) projectile tipped with a stone point. The dart features a rear cavity that fits into the throwing board's spur, keeping the dart parallel.

With an arm motion akin to a tennis serve, hunters can hurl the dart 120 to 150 yards (110 to 140 meters). The projectile generally maintains enough lethal force and accuracy to kill prey 30 to 40 yards (27 to 37 meters) away from a hunter, enthusiasts say.

Perkins describes the dart itself as "an arrow on steroids" that's capable of traveling 80 to 90 miles an hour (129 to 145 kilometers an hour).

"It's deceptively complex, a very sophisticated spring-mass system," he explained. "The dart is basically like a kind of spring. Interestingly enough, the stone point's primary function is not to inflict wounds but to act as a mass that resists acceleration."

He explained: "A pointy stick will punch a hole in something. But the stone point causes the dart to compress like a spring and store spring energy [during the throw]. It's integral to the mechanics."

Atlatl Competitions

Perfecting that throw is an enjoyable challenge for the 400 active members of the World Atlatl Association.

Executive secretary Courtney Birkett, an archaeologist from Williamsburg, Virginia, says that most members of the association are not hunters.

"It's not legal in most places," she said. "I think most people are involved for the [accuracy] competitions and for the companionship really."

"Some people just like primitive skills in general. Even as a little kid I used to make bows and arrows out of sticks."

With a growing number of contests and an onslaught of publicity surrounding the Pennsylvania decision, the atlatl may be hotter than it's been in centuries—which means busy times at Perkins's shop.

So what's the typical atlatl shopper like?

"The demographics are hard to put your finger on," Perkins said. "It's people who have an interest in archaeology, but also people who see them in the park or saw a report on television."

"Wherever people are seeing it, it's becoming more mainstream."


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1 posted on 01/31/2006 5:35:30 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; MozartLover; ...
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Spare deer from spears, state panel urges [Pennsylvania]


2 posted on 01/31/2006 5:36:51 PM PST by SJackson (elected members of Hamas: businesspeople, professionals, not terrorists. Scott McClellan)
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To: SJackson

Feh - no challenge. Now, using an atlatl on grizzly bear...


3 posted on 01/31/2006 5:47:13 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SJackson

This is how you get the deer the suburbs eating your azalea bushes.


4 posted on 01/31/2006 5:49:18 PM PST by Sisku Hanne (Happy 2006...The Year of the Black Conservative!)
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To: SJackson

Wait... you don't *throw* an atlatl. You use an atlatl to chuck a spear at something. It's like a sling, but more club-like. In that it doesn't involve any ropes, and is shaped like a club.


5 posted on 01/31/2006 5:49:27 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: SJackson

I'd give it a try...probably leave empty-handed (no game and no atlatl hehe) and sore though.

6 posted on 01/31/2006 5:52:36 PM PST by M203M4
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To: SJackson
I learned about these things in anthropology class 25 years ago. A key technology in the development of civilization.

I wonder how long it will take for a topless video comes out demonstrating their utility?

7 posted on 01/31/2006 6:07:40 PM PST by robomurph
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To: SJackson

There was an episode of the TV show "Paladin" where Paladin
takes on several enemies by fashioning one of these..

I would not worry too much about many white tails taken in such a fashion...


8 posted on 01/31/2006 6:09:51 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister.. but we knew what to do.. we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: Billthedrill

Hey, stone age man used atlatls on Mastodons and Mammoths - maybe hunted 'em to extinction. OTOH, I'm not gonna use one on a grizzly! Or even a black bear.


9 posted on 01/31/2006 6:10:57 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: SJackson

BTTT


10 posted on 01/31/2006 6:11:06 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: osagebowman; g'nad

Some silly remarks in the article, but of interest just the same. Wonder when Va will allow this.


11 posted on 01/31/2006 6:13:06 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: ndt
Atlatl Ping.
12 posted on 01/31/2006 6:20:19 PM PST by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Monihan)
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To: Sam Cree; g'nad

Thanks for the ping Sam; I know a few that would give it a fling here in MO. Eh, G'nad?


13 posted on 01/31/2006 6:21:45 PM PST by osagebowman
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To: R W Reactionairy

"Atlatl Ping."

HA!! I'm on!!


14 posted on 01/31/2006 6:23:56 PM PST by ndt
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To: osagebowman

I wouldn't mind having a go at an atlatl.


15 posted on 01/31/2006 6:44:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: M203M4

; I'd give it a try...

Ok but I think you'd look pretty silly running around in a loin cloth and wearing a feather myself...... ;-)


16 posted on 01/31/2006 7:19:12 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Sam Cree
Well, look at it this way. We're alive right now, so that means either our ancestors were tough enough to take on mastadon with an atlatl or smart enough to let Og give it a try first.

BTW, and it's a pretty strange story, but I actually used one of these things one time. The pictures don't show the most important piece - the thong that holds it to your wrist. You really heave on one of these thingies and it gets a little hard to hold onto.

17 posted on 01/31/2006 7:42:41 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SJackson

Why not allow it? When atlatls are outlawed, only outlaws will have atlatls. There, somebody had to say it.


18 posted on 01/31/2006 8:39:33 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: Billthedrill

I made a couple of atlatls for my (college age) kids for Christmas a couple years ago. We were standing in front of the house on Christmas morning trying them out, when a whitetail doe just randomly walked right in front of us, in easy range, broad daylight. Nobody took a shot, we weren't too accurate with 'em yet and didn't want to stick one in the wrong part of the deer and have it go off injured, plus lose the dart.

Anyhow, I didn't know about the thong, sounds like a good idea, should perhaps even allow for a little more torque. Maybe I'll add that feature to them, see how it works out.

But what is the strange story?


19 posted on 02/01/2006 6:30:38 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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