The Jesus Trial : Examining the Historical Evidence

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 01/31/2006 | Joseph Farah

[ApplegateRanch]

"The lawsuit has circulated around the Italian courts for years. The judge presiding over the case has tried, on a number of occasions, to dismiss it."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/usworld/news-article.aspx?storyid=50539
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History of the case on Cascioli's own web site:

http://www.luigicascioli.it/tabella_eng.php
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"Signor Cascioli, author of a book called The Fable of Christ, began legal proceedings against Father Righi three years ago after the priest denounced Signor Cascioli in the parish newsletter for questioning Christ’s historical existence."

"Yesterday Gaetano Mautone, a judge in Viterbo, set a preliminary hearing for the end of this month and ordered Father Righi to appear. The judge had earlier refused to take up the case, but was overruled last month by the Court of Appeal, which agreed that Signor Cascioli had a reasonable case for his accusation that Father Righi was “abusing popular credulity”."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550840/posts

[azhenfud]

2000 years ago, Jesus was tried in a "court of law", but the court was unjust and Jesus lost.

Little has changed since then, so he's not expected to "win the hearts and minds" of those who have prejudicedly rejected him.

No, you won't "find Jesus" in a "court of law". You'll either or not find him in the heart of a few good men.

[Onelifetogive]

And in this case, there is a specifc law in Italy about making money from making false claims.

Ron Popiel would be toast...

[SirLinksalot]

Thanks for the links.

[Old_Mil]

I find it curious that Joseph Smith, Muhammed, David Koresh, etc were all polygamists.

[azhenfud]

"As for the apostles: what evidence have you of their persecution?"

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Paul's own testimony is a good start. Notice Paul is very careful in stating the truth for a witness unto the Lord.

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"Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself.
As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.
For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.
I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.
Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.
Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me:
And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands."

[Old_Mil]

...come to think of it, they were into child brides as well.

[Raycpa]

If the apostles lied or were decieved, why do you think this account is accurate?

[orionblamblam]

That's my question to you.

Either the accounts are accurate and honest... or the whole thing is in serious doubt.

[orionblamblam]

>> "As for the apostles: what evidence have you of their persecution?"

> Paul's own testimony is a good start.

Is it. Ah, well.

[Raycpa]

If they were making it up wouldn't the account be a little "tighter" in regards the "next day" ? Why leave that doubt?

[colorado tanker]

IMHO, it was a mistake for the priest to participate in this case. He should simply have said that proving God's existence is not one of the things to be rendered to Caesar. It is my belief that the events described in the New Testament are true. If the Italian State wishes to punish me for my belief, so be it.

[orionblamblam]

> If they were making it up wouldn't the account be a little "tighter" in regards the "next day" ?

The more important question: if they *weren't* making it up, why would people today insist that it would be impossible to swipe a body that was left unguarded in an easy-to-get-to tomb?

But let's look at it your way: if they were making it up, why the obvious plot hole? Well, consider... there are, I believe, four separate accounts of this (Mat, Mark, Luke, John), and IIRC, only *one* mentions guards.

Perhaps the obvious gaping hole in the story... wasn't so "obviously" a gaping hole in the story back then. Consider that even today there are people who don't pick up on the unguarded-tomb bit. And these are people who, unlike those 1900 years ago, are largely literate and well eduacted. When one considers the fairly large number of "Messiahs" running around at the time (like Apollonius of Tyana), coupled with the virtually complete lack of understanding of science with consequent higher belief levels in superstition/supernatural, it makes sense that a lot of things would have gotten a pass then that would get questioned today.

[Raycpa]

So they were sloppy but not sloppy enough?

[azhenfud]

The more important question: if they *weren't* making it up, why would people today insist that it would be impossible to swipe a body that was left unguarded in an easy-to-get-to tomb?

LOL! Try to get a devout Jew to do anything on the Sabbath, let alone steal a dead body.

[orionblamblam]

> Try to get a devout Jew to do anything on the Sabbath, let alone steal a dead body.

Well, they had *two* days to choose from. The guards were assigned the next day... presumably during business hours.

[orionblamblam]

> So they were sloppy but not sloppy enough?

For a definite answer, help me fund my Time Machine project, then I'll go back and find out. Until that comes about, though, I'll have to rely on the meager evidence of biased testimony.

[azhenfud]

Well, they had *two* days to choose from.

Begging to differ, the *next* day was the day after the body was prepared to be placed into the tomb, and that *next* day was the Jewish Sabbath. The passage says, "Now the next day," and being more specific, "that followed the day of the preparation,"

It would have only given them until the sixth hour of the day preceeding the Sabbath (the day of preparation) or else they would have had to touch and move a dead body on the Jewish Sabbath.

[azhenfud]

"...I'll have to rely on the meager evidence of biased testimony."

Astutely put - I believe we all are in the same "fix"...;-)

[Raycpa]

I'll have to rely on the meager evidence of biased testimony.

But you are sure it creates a dillema?