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To: Bubbatuck
"Unfortunately, there's no real distinction between "theory" and "what's provenly known"."

I not trying to take sides here -- if I were it would be for the ToE. However, a theory is not "provenly known". In fact, the best that can be said about any theory is "not yet disproven". You could say that the ToE is robust; that it has been tested many times, and not disproven; that it has generated many testable hypothesis -- but, you can't say it has been proven. This is a fundamental principal of the scientific method.

Even if "theory" did mean what you said, labeling something a theory wouldn't mean that it was proven. That would be a tautological argument, a type of logical fallacy.

"A theory is about the highest level an idea can achieve."

Actually, a law is considered stronger than a theory. Again -- this is just a simple fact. Just as calling the ToE a "theory" doesn't prove it -- not calling it the "Law of Evolution" doesn't make it any less true.

"The Theory of Gravity is pretty well-established."

Really! Check this out:

http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/16/4/9
63 posted on 01/31/2006 2:35:27 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Time again for some definitions (from a google search):

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses." Addendum: "Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws." (Courtesy of VadeRetro.)

Hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"

Guess: an opinion or estimate based on incomplete evidence, or on little or no information

Law: a generalization that describes recurring facts or events in nature; "the laws of thermodynamics"

Assumption: premise: a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn; "on the assumption that he has been injured we can infer that he will not to play"

Model: a simplified framework designed to illuminate complex processes; a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; a physical or mathematical representation of a process that can be used to predict some aspect of the process

Speculation: a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence)

Observation: any information collected with the senses

Data: factual information, especially information organized for analysis or used to reason or make decisions

Fact: when an observation is confirmed repeatedly and by many independent and competent observers, it can become a fact

Belief: any cognitive content (perception) held as true; religious faith

Faith: the belief in something for which there is no evidence or logical proof; acceptance of ideals, beliefs, etc., which are not necessarily demonstrable through experimentation or reason

Dogma: a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof

Religion: (theistic): "1 the belief in a superhuman controlling power, esp. in a personal God or gods entitled to obedience and worship. 2 the expression of this in worship. 3 a particular system of faith and worship." Non-Theistic: "The word religion has many definitions, all of which can embrace sacred lore and wisdom and knowledge of God or gods, souls and spirits. Religion deals with the spirit in relation to itself, the universe and other life. Essentially, religion is belief in spiritual beings. As it relates to the world, religion is a system of beliefs and practices by means of which a group of people struggles with the ultimate problems of human life."

Impression: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying"

Opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty.

Based on these, evolution is a theory. CS and ID are beliefs.

[Last revised 1/2/06]

100 posted on 01/31/2006 7:58:55 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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