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To: dennisw

Oh I care, I care. I need to hear it- useda love Tom Rush (and might have heard it before.)


473 posted on 01/31/2006 7:36:05 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Revolting cat!

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474 posted on 01/31/2006 7:42:02 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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Ya know, some of you condescending armchair scientists could have just posted the link to talkorigins etc.. rather then quoting pages worth of info in your comments. Apparently your goal was to win a debate by overwhelming your opponents with more info then they would have the time or the expertise to address in an obviously scientifically casual environment like this blog.


With that said, as far as creation/evo goes, imo it is futile to debate this topic. The scientific majority who accept evo and common descent use strict methodological naturalism to reach their conclusions. This means that only after they have exhausted ALL possible naturalistic mechanisms and explanations or have an intimate understanding of how God works (assuming he exists) would they consider the possibility of a creator. The former isn't likely to ever happen since it would require absolute knowledge, the latter is doubtful unless God (again, assuming God exists) were to reveal himself AND allow himself to be a test subject for scientists. The only other option I can think of is if in the future scientists find a reliable way to detect design (meaning the majority accepts it) without having studied the designer.


If you are a Christian (like myself), just realise that scientists have a metaphysical bias in their line of work. You can look at the same facts and evidence from a theistic perspective and reach different conclusions. Also, don't sweat the "God of the gaps" complaints from theistic-evolutionists and atheists when it comes to your religious beliefs. Theistic-evolutionists do the very same thing, they just pick gaps that they feel won't be filled in by science (usually involving the Big bang and Quantum mechanics etc..). Philosophical naturalists tend to use "chance of the gaps" arguments which are no better.


499 posted on 01/31/2006 10:53:11 PM PST by icdorn
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