Posted on 01/29/2006 8:49:26 PM PST by indcons
It was 1246, and a Franciscan monk named John de Plano Carpini, the papal envoy to the Mongol court in Karakorum, sat listening very intently to some Russian priests at the coronation of Güyük Khan. Carpini's mind absorbed every detail as the Russian priests spoke of the Mongols' past conquests, reciting the names and locations of the Mongol generals. And when they were done speaking, Carpini had accomplished an amazing thing; He had gathered more intelligence than all of Christendom had ever known about these mysterious, terrifying horsemen from the east.
From the Russian priests, he learned of one general in particular named Chormaqan who had had moved against the countries in the Middle East, defeating not only men, but genuine monsters as well. Carpini later wrote that when Chormaqan was crossing a desert he "came upon certain monsters, so we were told as a certain truth, who had a human shape, but only one arm with a hand, in the middle of the breast, and one foot, and the two of them shot with one bow; and they ran at such a rate that horses could not keep on their track, for they ran by hopping on their one foot and, when they grew tired with this method of progress, then they got along on the hand and foot turning cart-wheels. When this had exhausted them, they ran again in their former fashion." The Russian priests also told Carpini that after defeating them, Chormaqan sent several of the monsters to Karakorum as envoys to ask for peace.
The monsters may have been a myth, but the Mongol general of the story did indeed exist. Chormaqan Noyan has attained little of the fame that his peers, such as Subedei, Muqali, and Bayan, gained. But it is not for lack..
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A general in Genghis Khan's army would have worn a costume that was quite similar to this:
Last MilHist ping of the night....a profile of a great general in Genghiz Khan's all-conquering army.
BTTT
LOL
What about Hulagu?
"The caliph was not sure how to react to Hulagu's invasion, but weakly defended the city. Hulagu ordered various sections of Baghdad's population spared, such as learned men and Christians, but killed at least 250,000 people (contemporary sources say 800,000). Hulagu killed the caliph by wrapping him in a rug and having him either "beaten to a pulp" or trampled by horses. Marco Polo reports that Hulagu starved the caliph to death, but there is no corroborating evidence for that."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu
After the Mongols wiped out Persia, they adopted Islam, and their descendents became the Mughals.
:')
Wiki:
Hulagu, the child of Tolui and Sorghaghtani Beki, a Christian woman, was dispatched by his brother Mongke in 1255 to accomplish the destruction of the remaining Muslim states in southwestern Asia. First, the subjugation of the Lurs, a people of southern Iran; second, the destruction of the sect of the Assassins; third, the destruction of the Abbasid caliphate; and lastly, the destruction of the Ayyubid states in Syria and the Mamluk state in Egypt.
Hulagu marched out with perhaps the largest Mongol army ever assembled. Among his subsidiary generals was Kitbuqa, a Christian. Hulagu easily destroyed the Lurs, and his reputation so frightened the Assassins that they surrendered their impregnable fortress of Alamut to him without a fight.
Hulagu probably always intended to take Baghdad, which the Mongols had been meaning to attack for over ten years (see Eljigidei), but he used the caliph's refusal to send troops to him as a pretext for conquest. Hulagu sent a message to the caliph, Al-Musta'sim, containing the following (trans. John Woods):
"When I lead my army against Baghdad in anger, whether you hide in heaven or in earth
I will bring you down from the spinning spheres;
I will toss you in the air like a lion.
I will leave no one alive in your realm;
I will burn your city, your land, your self.
If you wish to spare yourself and your venerable family, give heed to my advice with the ear of intelligence. If you do not, you will see what God has willed."
Only one of the four branches: the Ilkhans. In fact, this is fascinating....the Mongols were known for their religious tolerence. However, after conversion to Islam (Timur the Lame was the first prominent Ilkhanite), the Mughals became fully fanatical adherences of that pedophile prophet.
The other three branches of the Mongols (Batu's Golden Horde, Kublai's Sino-Mongol, and the Chagatai horde in Mongolia) retained their Mongol shamanite religion or adopted Tibetian Buddhism.
Ah, yes, Timur the Lame, also known in the West as Tamerlane.
Timur briefly controlled all of Asia except for Mongol China and SE Asia and southern India.
Subodei Bahadur. The greatest general in history. Period.
Agreed 100%
bump for later
Timur was arguably the worst genocidal maniac in history (barring Mohammed of course). While Timur's ravaged Asia for about 40 years, Mohammed's death cult continues to massacre people today.
I don't know about control of Asia though...Timur was a terror and justifiably so. Many kingdoms in Asia collapsed after battles with his muslim turko-mongol hordes. I have always thought of Timur as a great plunderer and never as a ruler.
You're welcome....there are quite a few fans of the Mongol hordes and Genghiz Khan here on FR.
Hulegu bump. He wasted Baghdad. He knew how to demolish the Muslims and their phony god
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu_Khan
Was Sabedei Bahadar ever in China? Any idea? I have followed his glorious career from the Khwarzaim campaign to his generalship of Batu Khan's Golden Horde in Hungary. However, I have never read anything about his role in the conquest of the Chin and the Sung dynasties. The general in China was Muqali (or Mugali) if I am not mistaken.
I was wondering if you had more info on Subedei's military exploits in China.
The Uzbeks don't think Timur was Turkish.
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