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THE WAR WITHIN(Barf Alert)
SF Gate ^ | Sunday, January 29, 2006 | By Mathew Stannard

Posted on 01/29/2006 4:27:52 PM PST by zzen01

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To: stormlead

Thanks for that information. I remember as a small child watching the story of Sgt. York (the one with Gary Cooper). He really had a struggle. Unfortunately you don't see it. Considering the timing of the movie's production and release (1941), it delved far too much into an assumed mixture of nationalism and faith (something some conservatives have been doing far too much of late IMHO). Granted York made his decision but at the same time I wouldn't hold it against a person of true faith to make the exact opposite decision. His family held some very strong views


21 posted on 01/29/2006 5:19:37 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Also note that when King Saul went to war with Amalek, God told him to "smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (1 Samuel 15:3)

I think that's a pretty good indicator God distinguishes between "murder" and "war".


22 posted on 01/29/2006 5:22:59 PM PST by nodumbblonde
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To: stormlead

That's a good point. The media and many dems just come right out and say that people who join the military are at best naive, and unworldly...at worst they are poor minorities with no chance of ever succeeding, except for the military. We know, of course, that no one would ever join for any reason other than a payday.../


23 posted on 01/29/2006 5:27:11 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: billbears
And to think for over 400 years the KJV has been the standard.

~395 years as the abridged, edited, standard version of Scripture for protestants.

24 posted on 01/29/2006 5:33:44 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
~395 years as the abridged, edited, standard version of Scripture for protestants

Still the standard for many in the South and how many older folks (including my grandparents) learned how to read

To be fair, the translation on Catholic.org (New American Bible version) states, "You shall not kill" and the Douay-Rheims, the standard in the Catholic Church from 1600 to the mid 20th century states 'Thou shalt not kill'.

25 posted on 01/29/2006 5:42:24 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
The Hebrew word ratsach does not refer to killing in general but to the malicious and unlawful killing of human beings -- murder. If it referred to the former we'd all be guilty of breaking the Commandment regularly -- swatting flies, slaughtering cows, shooting deer, etc.

For Old Testament translations it's wise to go to the source.

26 posted on 01/29/2006 6:01:04 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: zzen01

Some idiot poster over on the DU has said that this thread is calling this former soldier a wuss. Small wonder the people on DU are constantly misinformed.


27 posted on 01/29/2006 6:01:51 PM PST by popdonnelly
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It's widely believed that the Ten Commandments were taken from a remarkably similar list in the Egyptian *Book of the Dead* which commands "Do not murder".

(To address the other point here, Miller is no wuss.)



28 posted on 01/29/2006 6:17:37 PM PST by Tevin
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To: Mr. Mojo

And going to the 'source' I can see the argument very well that ratsach would include any killing depending on the cause of the war (whether or not the action was in self-defenst)


29 posted on 01/29/2006 6:17:38 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: zzen01

May God bless Blake Miller, his family, and his fellow combat veterans. May they have long, happy, and peaceful lives.


30 posted on 01/29/2006 6:21:48 PM PST by surfatsixty (Proud Father of a USMC Grunt.)
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To: starbase

Born on the Fourth of July was playing on AMC channel tonight.

Maybe that stuff about the VA hospital where patents feed rats and shoot up herion is true but it look like over the top propaganda to me.


31 posted on 01/29/2006 6:44:05 PM PST by Swiss
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To: zzen01
..Marine

..liberal wuss

32 posted on 01/29/2006 7:26:53 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: stormlead

The media willing pushes aside hundreds of soldiers who come through combat just fine in order to get to a soldier who casts some doubts about war....then manipulates it as an bias hit piece against the war in general.

Just another case of the media being the media.


btw I have a friend who went through ptds after THREE tours in Vietnam and sounded like Miller but is a proud supporter of the military in Iraqi.

Only difference he didn't have a reporter twist his feelings into an anti war rant.


33 posted on 01/29/2006 9:00:02 PM PST by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: zzen01
Why the barf alert? You think it's sickening that a man would Or what, exactly?
34 posted on 01/30/2006 2:08:35 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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Only difference he didn't have a reporter twist his feelings into an anti war rant.

Exactly. I noticed an awful lot of what appeared to be conjecture in that article.

Sure, Miller's probably having some adjustment problems being home. It's normal. Even we civilians go through that and we don't see nearly what the Marines do, so I can certainly understand that there might be problems.

In most cases, these post-combat anxieties will pass.

The lib writers just can't resist an opportunity to sensationalize something they can't understand.

35 posted on 01/30/2006 2:22:51 AM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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