[RichardW]

I wouldn't give a dime for one of those 9mm Berettas. I owned one and couldn't hit the side of the barn and they have no stopping power. I'd rather use a 22.

[Uriah_lost]

Wow! Thank you Mr. Hyperbole!

[Phsstpok]

I'd rather use a 22.

especially if you have 100 rounds in a helical magazine. A .22 is larger in diameter than an ice pick. Does anyone think that getting several punctures from an ice pick are nothing to worry about? How about 20 or 30?

Rate of fire, boys and girls. Rate of fire.

Way back when the old arquebus (matchlock) used in the 30 years war in the mid 1600s was an .80 caliber monster. Give me a .22 pistol with large capacity mag over one of those single shot (and horribly innacurate) monsters any day. Of course a pump shotgun with extended capacity would be even better.

Now, the ideal is a reasonably large caliber round with accuracy, capacity and stopping power. A modern .45 should do just fine.

Though I do have a fondness for the extremes:

The "F" in BFR is supposed to stand for "finest." Yeah, and the "Fs" in BUFF really stands for "fat fellow."

[Cobra64]

I had a brandy-new Beretta when I was in college back in the 60s. It was a POS... as was the Walther... constant mis-feeds and jamming. Even with round ball ammo.

[School of Rational Thought]

"I wouldn't give a dime for one of those 9mm Berettas. I owned one and couldn't hit the side of the barn and they have no stopping power. I'd rather use a 22."

Mine is really accurate, but then again I can shoot.

[SALChamps03]

I had one. I couldn't shoot it accurately either. I have a Ruger now.

[Aut Pax Aut Bellum]

I wouldn't give a dime for one of those 9mm Berettas. I owned one and couldn't hit the side of the barn and they have no stopping power. I'd rather use a 22.

Okay, first, the stock beretta 92F shoots well, I have killed groundhogs at over 60 yards with one (corbon 115's),and have witnesses. Second, most military 45's that guys handled were shot loose over the years, properly tightened they do wonders.The military has to use ball ammo, Geneva convention and all. The 9mm penetrates well,and is flat shooting, but lacks stopping power. The 357 sig and 40 S&W would perform similarly in full metal jacket. The 45 acp is better in ball for stopping power, but still not perfect. Rumor has it the sig 220 is the leader in consideration.It's a shame the military decides to go with forgein manufacturers for our small arms (beretta 92f, m240&m249 FN machine guns, FN for the m-16,etc.)