"Ok. So, Torah is the bible. Why not call Bible then?"
The Torah is only the first five books of what Christians call the Old Testament and Jews call the Tankh. I am not sure if they are exactly the same collection of books, but they are basically the same thing as far as I know. The Christian Bible is comprised of the entire Old Testament (or Tanakh) and the New Testament. The Torah is only the first 5 of the 60+ books in the Bible, so they really aren't even close to being the same thing.
And I believe the Talmud is Jewish commentary on the Tankh that came many years after the scriptures were written.
I am not Jewish or a religious scholar, so anyone can feel free to correct my descriptions of the books.
Apparently, from what I have read, the Torah has narrow and more broader meanings. The first five books of the Bible, the Penteteuch, are the Torah in its strictest sense. Yet, some use it in a more broader sense inclusive of the Tanakh...and sometimes even broader, the Talmud...and sometimes even the Kabbalah.
The broader uses of it are probably due to divine revelation. That is, they hold them to be revelations from God and ought to be called "Torah" also.
Other than the Penteteuch, I believe the only broader use of the term would be the Tanach since it is also the revelation of God...which Christians call the Old Testament.
The Torah is really just the books of Moses is it not?
The rest of the Old Covenant and Maccabees is called the Prophets and the Writings and that by Moses is The Law or Torah.
That was always what I was told.
and I was told there are two Talmuds. (Hebrew and Babylonian (aramaic))
do the Karaites reject the Hebrew Talmud too?