Posted on 01/29/2006 10:16:44 AM PST by ChicagoHebrew
I wonder if Madonna will be there ((ducking and running))
"They say Kaduri learned from the great kabbalists of previous generations the practice of writing amulets which heal, enhance fertility and bring success."
I think Moses would take a dim view of all this.
Video: Rabbi Kadouri meeting the Lubavitcher Rebbe
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I think Moses would take a dim view of all this.
Spot on. I once asked a Karaite (Jewish Karaites are Biblical only, they reject the Talmud and Kabbalah) his opinion of Kabbalah. He didn't mince words.
He said it was a form of Jewish witchcraft and magic...which the Jews assimulated into Judaism from the Pagans. He then quoted the words of Moses in Deut. 18:9-12.
9 ... thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. [the Pagans]
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD...
By dabbling in pagan sorcery, the Jews committed spiritual adultery, outwardly Jews, but by blending in pagan sorcery they had become religious whores. The prophets repeatedly charged them with religious whoredom. Isaiah said to them:
Isaiah 57:3 But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore.
Wow. Where'd you find a Karaite? They're quite rare. Very intriguing belief system, thogh.
The Kabbalah is not necessarily witchcraft, by the by. It's mysticism, but not -necessarily- witchcraft. Depends what you do with the knowledge, or philosophy. It can be, though, so it's dangerous. That's why only righteous men who've been studying the Torah for decades are supposed to learn it.
Karaites aren't Jewish.
Why? The split between Karaites and Talmudic Jews took place around 800AD. This when the Masoretic version of Old Testament took its final form (this version is also being used by Protestants)
Is the 'why' a rhetorical question?
No, it is not.
Karaites aren't Jewish.
Please explain why they are not. Blood lineage?
Their religious beliefs? If it is the latter, their beliefs appear to truly adhere to the the teachings of Moses. The Talmud and Kabbalah are add ons.
Somewhat similar to the Mormons with their add on literature...literature they, like the Talmudists and Kabbalists, esteem on a par with the Bible itself.
Well, so say the Rabbis.... who have to really twist Halacha to get there.
You answered your own question. Karaites quit the team a long long time ago and refused to accept Rabbinic law, the Talmud. Therefore, they do not practice Judaism. Judaism IS Torah Written Law plus (Rabbinic) Oral Law. That is the definition of Judaism. Anyone who doesn't accept the 13 principles of Faith is off the team. Torah refers to Oral and Written law.
It is matter of debate. Karaites put the Old Testament before Talmud/Rabbinic law and consider themselves Jews.
Would you say that Protestants are not Christian because they put Bible above the Church tradition and commentaries?
There is no debate. Karaites don't consider themselves Jewish, nor do Jews consider Karaites Jewish. If you want to consider them Jewish, that is your business. You may also consider Madonna to be Jewish. That doesn't make it so. Karaites don't accept Oral Law. That makes them a different religion. How Christians define themselves is their business.
Those are per http://www.jewfaq.org/beliefs.htm, as follows:
It looks like they do.
>Judaism IS Torah Written Law plus (Rabbinic) Oral Law. That is the definition of Judaism.
I thought their sacred book was the bible.
What is torah, anyway? I've never read the torrah itself. Only heard of the name torrah.
If I am not mistake "torah" means Law. So it would the five books of Moses?
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