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To: betty boop

Quoting: "Consequently physics per se can’t causally determine the outcome of human creativity, rather it creates the possibility space allowing human intelligence to function autonomously. The challenge to physics is to develop a realistic description of causality in truly complex hierarchical structures, with top-down causation and memory effects allowing higher levels of order to emerge with genuine causal powers."

Whatever that might be imagined to have meaning.
Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.
It's a wet bird that flies by night.

Just where does this differ from scientific and rational thought about "cause and effect"? Is the author saying that psychics, tarot-card readers, and Christian faith-healers have equal standing with biomedical researchers and physicists?

Good old secular engineering works nicely for building bridges and allowing airplanes to fly. Doesn't seem to need a god or a psychic to make it work.





27 posted on 01/29/2006 1:37:21 PM PST by thomaswest (just curious)
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To: thomaswest; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; All
Just where does this differ from scientific and rational thought about "cause and effect"? Is the author saying that psychics, tarot-card readers, and Christian faith-healers have equal standing with biomedical researchers and physicists?

Well jeepers, thomaswest, I don't know -- for as I said, I haven't read Ellis' piece through yet. Have you?

When we both have, maybe then we'll have something to talk about. Best wishes, bb.

29 posted on 01/29/2006 1:58:15 PM PST by betty boop (Often the deepest cause of suffering is the very absence of God. -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: thomaswest
Doesn't seem to need a god or a psychic to make it work.

Certainly, it doesn't seem so. But are you looking deeply enough into the true nature of things?

30 posted on 01/29/2006 2:42:04 PM PST by betty boop (Often the deepest cause of suffering is the very absence of God. -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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