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What Pat, and the Islamists, need to realize is this: Iraq and Afghanistan are experiments in modernizing a brutal culture. We're trying to do it with the least loss of life among the native population, often resulting in sacrifice and loss of life of our own armed forces.

If, despite our best efforts, large areas of the Islamic world continue on a course of conflict and terror, converting their oil wealth into WMDs, the West is going to have no alternative. There is going to be large scale WWII style annihilation of Islamic cities and countries. Tens or hundreds of millions may die. When even France starts talking about using military force in the ME, this option cannot be far away.

BTW Pat, Bill Clinton tried your tactic of kissing up to Islamic terrorists for eight years. It resulted in bombings of New York, Washington DC, Bali, Lisbon, and London. We better hope the neoconveratives are right, because the only option left is very ugly.

Exactly! My thoughts exactly! After Islam in the guise of bin Laden attacked the free world, the US turned the cheek and offered Islam two opportunities. If Islam fails to take advantage of these opportunities it will reap its just rewards.

Hamas has to prove itself as a just and true leader of ALL people. Hamas will fail and show the world the true meaning of Islam and the world will be horrified.

Iran is run by a madman. The world must and will step up to the plate and face this madman down. It will be costly, but failing to do so will be worse.

Exactly, if Bush can't whip these folks in line with a soft stick and diplomacy the big sticks are going to rain hard. It looks like Australia and alot of other folks the world over are getting a bellyful too.