[whattajoke]

Perhaps a conservative challenge, even if unsuccessful, would set the table for a future successful challenge.

I admire your idealism, Doc. As each year passes, this true conservative challenge seems more and more impossible here. Truth be told, I actually do enjoy a lot of what my town has to offer and you can't touch our autumns (or our Huskies), but I swear, I'm slowly going insane living here!

[ClaireSolt]

I listened to this, and when it was over I was depressed. Shays is so old hat! CAFE standards???? Mr Shays, you need to get out more. Or, as Grudge keeps saying, get out of the way old man with your old ideas. You are in the way of our new technology! With GM and Ford both in the dumper and bringing out flex fuel cars and delivering hydrogen prototypes he is bitching about Cafe standards. give me a break.