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To: Aliska
According to the bible, Christ reversed God's order.

Truly, I realize all the arguments one way or the other. Yes, it's important to know how to take care of things and yes it can get infected. Ears can get infected if you don't take care of them, but you don't just chop them off.

Me and my brother are the only circumcised males in my family. My mother was barely cognizant of what was going on when in labor and thought nothing of it when the doctors had her sign. It was the thing to do of course then. I don't 'blame' her or anything. It just was what it was.

Now, if it were today when it is in fact a controversy and mothers are aware of it, then maybe.

And, as I stated above. It really does not bother me with regard to myself. Of course, I'll never know what it's like to have it, but it's hardly something that concerns me. I'm perfectly content with my equipment as it is.

But that's just because I've grown up with it that way. If it were otherwise, then I'm quite sure I'd be content with things that way. And if I were suddenly given a choice, then I would reverse things just for the sake of novelty if nothing else.

But the clincher for me is that the number of men who have it and want to get rid of it is trivial. The infant has no choice in the matter and of course it's irreversible. Yes, there's the whole matter of religious customs as well, but I'm anywhere of any religion that explicitly requires radical circumcision as is customary (instead of just snipping the tip, as Jews used to do).

40 posted on 01/28/2006 8:22:08 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Aliska
That should say: "I'm unaware of any religion that explicitly requires radical circumcision, as is customary"

I have mild dyslexia at times..

I could be wrong on that BTW. I'm mainly speaking on what I know of Judaism and Islam, and also not speaking to given interpretations of either, just the basic verses in their scriptures.

41 posted on 01/28/2006 8:25:35 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
Truly, I realize all the arguments one way or the other.

I saw a Hungarian film (think it was Hungarian) where it was part of the story; they waited until the child was at or near puberty. Ouch. That was their custom.

I understand your points, but if uncircumcized men aren't scrupulously clean, there is an unpleasant odor.

Christ didn't reverse it. One of the apostles did for gentiles. I think probably the Jewish Christians still practiced it, but then the Jewish Christians started to disappear, why I'm not sure, assimilation, killed, don't know.

I hadn't read about the degree of snipping. That would be of consequence, but then why do it at all? To set them apart with a physical mark is all I can see to it. It isn't easy to discuss this, and has caused minor problems in the family. My daughter had a boy by a man of Cherokee? descent who for a time was raising the other one, and he was upset that the one wasn't circumcized.

I must honestly tell you I don't know what I would do now. When I had my son circumcized, it didn't have anything to do with religion, I signed the paper, my uncircumcized husband (ex now) didn't say anything one way or the other. If it is going to be done, it's better to be done to a baby, but then they should at least use anasthesia.

Looking back on things, you wonder about a lot of things. All or most Muslims are circumcized; no doubt they borrowed that from the Jews they were in contact with at the time; they borrowed other ideas from Christians. Who knows?

I'm horrified by female circumcision which is even worse. It grossed me out so bad when I saw it on tv documentary, I almost fainted and had to turn it off. I'd probably be grossed out by a male circumcision, too.

It's curious if there will be a backlash against the Jews who will refuse to abandon the practice if the medical establishment and public opinion goes further against it.

Just an odd factoid I read somewhere, if a Jewish mother lost two boys due to hemophiliac bleeding (which they didn't know about at the time), the next boy child was granted a reprieve.

47 posted on 01/28/2006 8:40:23 PM PST by Aliska
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