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1 posted on 01/28/2006 9:51:10 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I don't know about anyone else here, but I have never been overly persuaded, or disuaded by "T" shirt messages.


2 posted on 01/28/2006 9:54:24 AM PST by barj
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This nonsense will continue until a few of these dudes
get shot while wearing these, which is inevitible given
that the shirt's message is:

Just Shoot Me
No One Will Snitch
Or Even Investigate


3 posted on 01/28/2006 9:59:52 AM PST by Boundless
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To: SmithL

Ah, a bright future for those young men. But if you're black and do well in school, you're "acting white."


4 posted on 01/28/2006 9:59:52 AM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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6 posted on 01/28/2006 10:02:58 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (The Death Penalty isn't for making examples it's for making bad people DEAD!)
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To: SmithL

If I were the cops there, I'd put up billboards and air radio spots on hip hop stations advertuising a toll-free, totally clean number to give tips and 'stooge' on crime slime. Give each caller a crime tip number and a personal code number. If the tips pay off in arrests and crimes being solved, advertise the crime tip number that hit the jackpot and the person can call in with the correct personal code and win the jackpot. Run it like the lottery and advertise it like the crimebuster TV shows. Finance it with seized drug money.


7 posted on 01/28/2006 10:06:05 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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" 'Stop snitchin' ' is a good motto because if you don't meddle in something that ain't your business, you'll live longer," 29-year-old Eric Davis said while shopping at Durant Square shopping center in Oakland, where several merchants sell the shirts. "That's why snitches die, sticking their nose in business that ain't theirs."

That's it then. If they do not want to participate and live in a civilized society...

Put up a big-a$$ wall around THEIR "enclaves"! You want to allow the animals to run you and your lives...fine. You stay there then, and don't come into MY community, where we ALL live under the same rules and laws...and we help our neighbor!

Time to wall off all these liberal enclaves, and shoot to kill anyone who tries to get out without investigation and inspection!

America is dead, and it was killed by Multi-Culturalism and "tolerance"!

9 posted on 01/28/2006 10:11:52 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: SmithL
What do they have against sneetches?


11 posted on 01/28/2006 10:21:39 AM PST by A. Goodwin
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Since they're so against "snitching",I hope that they'll understand how the police might reach the conclusion that it's an uphill battle to try to enforce law and order in their neighborhoods,as no one wants to give the police vital information that would help them to arrest the criminals stealing,raping,murdering,etc. I know people can't be so illogical as to think that the police can just go in there and use their crystal ball to ferret out lawbreakers.

OTOH,what am I thinking,the DU types would think just that.And even when they find the criminals,they shouldn't be so harsh as to actually arrest them or anything.No,the police should just go to some "power spot"(I believe that's the term) and envision the neighborhood in a veil of purple,because that'll make everyone enlightened so they won't want to hurt their neighbors.

Another reminder of why I can still die happy and never go anywhere near SF,or most of California.


13 posted on 01/28/2006 10:46:50 AM PST by mrsmel
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Let us all, in the spirit of the Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior, judge these young people "not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Go back and look at the video of Selma. See the proud, clean, well-dressed people who marched with Dr. King. Where are they today? Where is the culture of achievement and non-violence?
Today's black culture owes more to Malcolm X

http://who2.com/jeeves/malcolmx.html

and Huey Newton

http://who2.com/hueynewton.html

than to the proud and peaceful doctrines of Dr. King.


14 posted on 01/28/2006 10:57:22 AM PST by Ostlandr ("In a mature society, the terms 'civil servant' and 'civil master' are semantically equal." -RAH)
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It can't help matters that part of what the police do is indeed meddling in what's nobody else's business: namely, who sells what substance to whom.
17 posted on 01/29/2006 9:22:28 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: SmithL

I moved out of Oakland last July - I had moved into an area that was relatively safe during the dot.com boom, but quickly resorted back to crack dealers, prostitutes and thugs within a year of moving there - and we were less than a mile from downtown.

It's just ugly there. The PD has severe budget issues, the cops are demoralized, the crime is so prevalent and common that things like car breakins and thefts are barely registered. The street i lived in had 4 cars stolen over one year, a car window or two broken every other day (mine twice), and home invasion is a fave in that part of town. Thugs openly sold crack at the 7-11 across the street, and waged all out warfare upon each other over the turf - and threatened anyone on our street who tried to complain or denied them spare change. The head dealer lived up the street, and routinely would show up with his cronies and beat up the crack heads who wandered our neighborhood (who often ended up in our backyard or basement of our apartment building...doing what? You don't want to know.). Someone was moving from our building, and put a couch on the street on the curb, ready to be loaded onto the van on the next trip. They went inside, and when they came out, a crack head was passed out on it. When they tried to get him off, he got belligerent and pulled a knife. The owners went inside, called the cops...who never showed up. They cops never showed up whenever we called about the druggies, or our cars getting broken into (we'd get a form in the mail for insurance). They never showed up when the neighbors had loud out of control parties on weeknights that would go past 1am. More and more of the better buildings that got built or renovated in the .com boom are being taken over by section 8, and they all now stink of urine and pot, and have trash everywhere. I desperately want an artist's live/work loft, as I'm an artist, but the areas they are in are rough, very rough (and now all the lofts are "gourmet" lofts with granite counters and such, and rent for $2000 a month, and you can't build...feh...don't get me started...). The only areas that i felt somewhat safe in, and that's from living there for 3 years, was the rich areas taht I could'nt afford - and even there you see bars on windows.

An Oakland cop told me, if a life isn't in immediate danger...they're busy. I can believe them. It's EVERWHERE. There are parts of town you do not go into, as a white person, ever, for any reason. They WILL shoot you. Every parking lot is a break in waiting to happen. Dealers are everywhere. Prostitutes are everywhere. Every neighborhood has it's own crackheads and beggars. The only "safe" place nearby was the pool hall frequented by the asian gangs. EVERYONE it seems is armed. I saw more guns pulled or displayed in the 3 years there, over the stupidest of things, like taking a parking spot. You havent lived until you've shopped for hard drives at CompUSA with thugs with gold teeth and bling up the ying yang.

These t-shirts are a sympton of things you can't even imagine. Oakland is so screwed up, there's very little I could imagine you could do to even begin cleaning it all up. Thugs rule downtown, the cops lost control a long, long, long time ago, and the shirts prove it. They operate with near impunity. They know the cops are swamped, and slow to respond (if at all).

That's why the cops spend more time busting suburban guys trolling for prostitutes than going after the dealers and thugs - it's too dangerous! And they take you car in Oakland, and auction it off. Just say "No Ho", as we used to say in the 'hood. It funds the Oakland PD, so they do it a lot. They also keep the rich, liberal enclaves in the hills somewhat cleaned up, altho theft is pretty bad there, too. Can't have the ex-hippies and lawyers upset, now.

It's a tradegy. Oakland has a long, rich, vibrant history, and if you saw what it's like today...there are old, old, old buildings and houses that is they were restored properly, would be breathtaking. It's right on the bay, on clear days you can see the Golden Gate, and the hills.


24 posted on 03/05/2006 9:38:30 PM PST by ByDesign
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