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The Labor Shortage Hoax
AmericanEconomicAlert.org ^ | Friday, January 27, 2006 | Alan Tonelson

Posted on 01/28/2006 9:28:18 AM PST by Willie Green

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To: Reaganwuzthebest
using their well worn class warfare tactics.

WHICH YOU ENDORSE!!!

61 posted on 01/28/2006 12:40:26 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: Mase
If you also look at our history you'll find that a lot of third world countries of the past have now become valued trading partners.

Who would that be, Mexico? Their greatest exports into the US to date continue to be drugs and illegal aliens. Simply transferring American wealth to these countries is doing little for them or us. If they're not capable of creating wealth on their own to begin with like Europe, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and North America have then there's little we can do for them.

62 posted on 01/28/2006 12:46:22 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: expat_panama
Sure, he's got nothing to offer instead, but how about all them complaints!

Tonelson, PCR and Hawkins. Has anyone ever seen them together at the same time? It's always the same list of complaints only with different bylines. Coincidence? //tin foil off.

63 posted on 01/28/2006 12:47:25 PM PST by Mase
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To: JohnnyZ
WHICH YOU ENDORSE!!!

It's more like you're encouraging it when you tell Americans "we're in a global economy now" so work for minimum wage chump, no matter your education level.

64 posted on 01/28/2006 12:48:02 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: All
In the case of worker shortages, employers simply need to increases wages enough, and before too long, they will be able to attract whatever workers they need.

How do employers reconcile offering low wages in a worker "glut", but claim they can't find "skilled" workers (willing to work for their low wages) and need cheap foreigners during a worker "shortage"? And, how is it that firms can outsource jobs overseas while claiming they cannot find skilled workers here? Are they really more skilled than American workers, or just cheaper?

65 posted on 01/28/2006 12:48:35 PM PST by jeffc
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To: Sterco

Good post and good posts


66 posted on 01/28/2006 12:50:49 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Mase
It amazes me that so many conservatives here can, out of one side of their mouth, bash Bush for causing bigger government while, out of the other side, demand government do something about their perceived inequities in trade as if, when it comes to these things, government is instantly transformed into a responsible, capable and reliable entity. I see a lot of inconsistency with that argument.

Um what I'd like to see is for this government, no matter who the president go back to traditional trade policies. Yes we can trade with China but if they start dumping on us we're slapping tariffs on them until they behave. Oh and they're going to have to take in our products as well, not put up barriers to protect their markets.

67 posted on 01/28/2006 12:51:33 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"we're in a global economy now" so work for minimum wage chump, no matter your education level.

More like "work for what the market will pay".

If you want more than you're worth, fine a sucker to hire you or don't be surprised when you're sitting at home doing nothing.

In a free economy, those 'sucker' companies who pay more than their competitors for the same quality labor will end up out of business.

If you can't deal with that reality, go to DU, maybe that's a fantasy world you'll like better, where socialism solves all!

68 posted on 01/28/2006 1:03:40 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
So anyone who doesn't agree with you has a "weird belief system"?

You said "corporations are packing up".  That's crazy.  I attempted to share hard numbers but your statement is not reasoned information. It's a heartfelt belief that's immune to logic.  

Lots of people disagree with me, and I love talking to the ones who disagree with me on facts because they're the only ones I can get new info from.  When you disagree in spite of facts because of a deeply felt but foolish belief, all I can do is urge you not to act foolishly too.  Like, please don't blow yourself up or vote to raise my taxes or something.

69 posted on 01/28/2006 1:11:54 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: JohnnyZ
If you can't deal with that reality, go to DU, maybe that's a fantasy world you'll like better, where socialism solves all!

Go Johnny go...

You have no idea what you're talking about, a tech engineer who spends two or four or six years getting a college degree is certainly worth more than the $20,000 a year they pay in India.They are being forced to compete with such low wages thanks to our own government's policy.

If they weren't then the American free market would decide on its own what the wage level should be for engineers or any other employee of any sector.

It is being artificially depressed and manipulated but since it benefits a small number of people like you apparently that's all fine and dandy.

We all know the score: privatize the profits, socialize the costs.

70 posted on 01/28/2006 1:14:32 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: djreece

marking


71 posted on 01/28/2006 1:15:26 PM PST by djreece ("... Until He leads justice to victory." Matt. 12:20c)
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To: expat_panama
Here's a news flash for you expat_panama, you've put up all kinds of statistics I've seen a million times and they have been repudiated over and over by real experts who actually work in the fields being affected by these policies.

It's the Free Traders, the US Chamber of Commerce etc who see what they want to see because they're benefitting quite handsomely from the staus quo.

Can't say that I blame them, it's the government who seems to believe it's all peaches and cream. In fact they're just drooling as they wait for their sovereignty-busting FTAA to get passed...

72 posted on 01/28/2006 1:21:54 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
For 200 years this country prospered without Free Trade agreements with third world countries.

That's a valid point, but for most of this country's history we prospered without any immigration laws, either.

73 posted on 01/28/2006 1:33:08 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Penner
 46 The proportion of Americans who're employed is greater than it was in the '90's...  50 Sure, if you count people who work one hour a month as employed.

If it would make you happy we could count Wage and salary workers and not Self-employed workers including those in Private industries but not in Government (link for these and more data here).   You can broaden or narrow the listing any way you want, but in view of the fact that you won't say what you want, I'll assume that you fear that if you ever said what you wanted you might actually get it (horrors!) and then you'd have less to complain about.

That's what it's all about: a choice between knowing what's going on or just mindlessly complaining.

74 posted on 01/28/2006 1:34:23 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: Alberta's Child

After 1924 and up until 1965 there were certainly immigration laws. Only about 250,000 annually were allowed in.


75 posted on 01/28/2006 1:36:13 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Mase
I see a lot of inconsistency with that argument.

Try this one on for size:

Reagan slaps tariffs on foreign motorcycles. Hero.
Bush 43 slaps tariffs on foreign steel. Goat.

76 posted on 01/28/2006 1:40:19 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
and they have been repudiated over and over by real experts who actually work in the fields being affected by these policies.

I don't suppose you have a link? Or is this one of those anecdotes I keep hearing from big government protectionist types?

77 posted on 01/28/2006 1:43:47 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Speaking of statistics, what do you guess is the most valuable type of four-year college degree in the United States? Engineering. Go figure.


78 posted on 01/28/2006 1:43:58 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
so work for minimum wage chump, no matter your education level.

Ah, it comes out...the entitlement attitude....

79 posted on 01/28/2006 1:54:40 PM PST by dakine
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To: Toddsterpatriot
There's plenty of links available, they've been posted a million times.

Btw speaking of "big government protectionist types" I'd say that fits the Free Traders to a tee. Strange how they have no problem letting the government setup agreements for them so they can then do business in .50 an hour countries then dump their products back in tariff free.

How sweet it is for Free Traders to have the government make life easy for them. It's kind of like welfare, you know, increase their bottom lines at everyone else's expense. Sure pays to have friends in high places.

80 posted on 01/28/2006 1:56:06 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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