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The Labor Shortage Hoax
AmericanEconomicAlert.org ^ | Friday, January 27, 2006 | Alan Tonelson

Posted on 01/28/2006 9:28:18 AM PST by Willie Green

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To: Alberta's Child

For a Canuck you are sure up on American history and prosperity. Why don't you tell us all how well Canada is doing in the world market these days? Shhheeeessshhhh what gall!!!!


121 posted on 01/28/2006 3:53:57 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Alberta's Child

Contrary to your previous claim immigration was never unlimited. It's impossible to compare the 1800s or even 1900s to today when travel was far more difficult. The Irish and others came here mostly on ships that took forever to make it to the states but most importantly they came legally. Today they're flying in by the millions, staying illegally or just crossing the borders as if they don't exist.


122 posted on 01/28/2006 3:56:13 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Sterco
Why don't you tell us all how well Canada is doing in the world market these days?

Canada is doing quite well. In fact, the U.S. tariff on Canadian lumber has resulted in major U.S. job losses in the lumber industry and record Canadian exports of lumber throughout the Pacific Rim. Go figure, eh?

And with oil trading at $60-$70 per barrel, the U.S. has run up a huge trade deficit with Canada due to its massive imports of Canadian oil.

Anything else I can answer for you?

P.S. And no, I am not a "Canuck."

123 posted on 01/28/2006 3:56:26 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The Irish and others came here mostly on ships that took forever to make it to the states but most importantly they came legally.

They came here "legally" because there was no such thing as "illegal immigration" back then.

Today they're flying in by the millions . . .

Yes, and the U.S. is a much larger country today than it was in 1850.

124 posted on 01/28/2006 3:57:53 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Sterco

name calling?


125 posted on 01/28/2006 3:58:06 PM PST by dakine
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To: Alberta's Child
Yes, and the U.S. is a much larger country today than it was in 1850.

What difference does that make, travel is still far easier today and why the comparisons can't be made. In the 1850s thousands sailed in, today it's millions flying in.

126 posted on 01/28/2006 4:01:17 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: dakine

Canadian United Kingdom Canuck Problem?


127 posted on 01/28/2006 4:01:20 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Sterco
I look for the Senate to follow the house like they are on skates on the immigration bill.

Many of us can only hope you're right. But after the last fiasco of Arlen Specter and Ted Kennedy trying to ram through a massive increase in H1-b visas and then the ridiculous defense made of it by John Cornyn and the rest I can only believe they're ready to sell the store out.

128 posted on 01/28/2006 4:13:18 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Alberta's Child

Ford and GM are laying off workers by the thousands, and foreign auto manufacturers are opening new plants here in the U.S. at a record pace.
Go figure.

You heard it here first. The party that caters to the American worker now will be the party in power!!!

Sure. And when you add up the votes that were accumulated in 2000 and 2004 by people like Nader and Buchanan, you get a number that is smaller than the population of the town where I grew up.

The "American worker" is now a 50-something UAW worker whose job is fading into obscurity. I hate to break this to you, but there ain't enough of them left to make any difference in a national election.


And all this makes you happy? I think Canada does a lot of business with US automakers. OH well I already know where you are from....


129 posted on 01/28/2006 4:15:38 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Many of us can only hope you're right. But after the last fiasco of Arlen Specter and Ted Kennedy trying to ram through a massive increase in H1-b visas and then the ridiculous defense made of it by John Cornyn and the rest I can only believe they're ready to sell the store out.


Call your Senator. Call him a few times. Or her. Call them while they are in session on this bill. Makes a great big difference beleive me. My Senator Mr. Wayne Allard is doing very well on this issue. His voting record in the past has left a little to be desired but he is paying close attention to the issue now. Call your Senator!!! Speak clear English and say you have had it!!!


130 posted on 01/28/2006 4:19:23 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Alberta's Child

The "American worker" is now a 50-something UAW worker whose job is fading into obscurity. I hate to break this to you, but there ain't enough of them left to make any difference in a national election.


I hate to break it to you but this American worker has two or three kids. Been busting their butts in sports and academically. They essentially hate your guts. Guess why?


131 posted on 01/28/2006 4:24:19 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Sterco
Call your Senator!!! Speak clear English and say you have had it!!!

Will do, it's too important for us not to.

132 posted on 01/28/2006 4:32:38 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Sterco

I know what some of these long haul truckers do hr. wise. You figure their wages up door step to door step and they are working for chump change.>>>>>>>>>>>

I talk to truck drivers every day that I work and almost without exception they tell me the same story, the buying power of the average trucker is much lower than it used to be and, as you say, they work far more than a forty hour week, sleep in their trucks, etc. I have talked to some who don't even have an actual home, they literally live in a sleeper cab. It is not an enviable way to make a living for most of them.


133 posted on 01/28/2006 8:50:16 PM PST by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: Penner

U.S. Department of Labor show that after peaking in1978 – yes, 28 years ago, inflation-adjusted wages for manufacturing workers have fallen back to levels they first hit in 1972.>>>>

In my humble but honest opinion, they are lower than in 1972.


134 posted on 01/28/2006 9:02:17 PM PST by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: JohnnyZ

In a free economy, those 'sucker' companies who pay more than their competitors for the same quality labor will end up out of business.>>>>>>>>>>

What I see is more of an unwillingness to make distinctions between people as to the quality of their labor. Where I work there is less than a twenty percent differential between new hires who are unable to do anything and those who are trained in all aspects of the department and everyone who has completed the training is paid the same regardless of the fact that the most productive do at least twice the amount of work that the least productive do. There is no incentive, in fact there is disincentive in that the more work one does the more likely that a serious mistake will be made and you will hear about your mistakes but those who do the bare minimum do not hear criticism for their laziness. I really prefer to go all out during the work day as it makes the time seem to pass faster but I am beginning to see that I would be better off if I could learn to do the minimum as most other people do.


135 posted on 01/28/2006 9:15:57 PM PST by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
A few products are still made here for the time being.

Yeah, what's a few trillion a year? Drop in the bucket.

136 posted on 01/29/2006 8:56:03 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Do you believe that the prices of consumer electronics continually drop because of where they're made?


137 posted on 01/29/2006 9:18:11 AM PST by brianl703 (Illegal aliens are to businessmen as Cliff's Notes are to college students.)
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To: brianl703
Do you believe that the prices of consumer electronics continually drop because of where they're made?

Productivity.

138 posted on 01/29/2006 9:19:40 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I think it has more to do with innovation and advancement.


139 posted on 01/29/2006 9:25:30 AM PST by brianl703 (Illegal aliens are to businessmen as Cliff's Notes are to college students.)
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To: brianl703

Innovation that increases productivity.


140 posted on 01/29/2006 9:37:12 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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