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Sonofusion Experiment Produces Results Without External Neutron Source
PhysOrg ^ | January 27, 2006

Posted on 01/27/2006 9:32:09 PM PST by ckilmer

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1 posted on 01/27/2006 9:32:12 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Have they proposed a mechanism, or is it just an observation?


A solution of uranium, benzene, and acetone..... Fun. No eating in that laboratory!


2 posted on 01/27/2006 9:36:42 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing

No smoking, either.


3 posted on 01/27/2006 9:38:56 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: KevinDavis; AntiGuv

Sci Ping


4 posted on 01/27/2006 9:40:07 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: SteveMcKing
Yes, they have proposed a mechanism.

Basically the bubbles(small cavitations) induced from high intensity ultrasound collapse so rapidly that the impact pressure is high enough to cause fusion.
5 posted on 01/27/2006 9:42:18 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: ckilmer

Keanu Reeves did this a few years back.


6 posted on 01/27/2006 9:43:20 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: All

This is pretty big. Moving the detectors and getting a proper inverse square law diminishment in the neutron flux density of appropriate magnitude is somewhat incontrovertible.


7 posted on 01/27/2006 9:47:06 PM PST by Owen
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To: ckilmer
These results are in keeping with what would be predicted by the “inverse square law,” which provides further evidence that fusion neutrons were in fact produced inside the device, according to the researchers.

Well....that changes everything. NOW I understand. ;^)

8 posted on 01/27/2006 9:54:39 PM PST by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: ckilmer
This is the coolest thing I've ever not understood.
9 posted on 01/27/2006 9:57:45 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Libertarians are Anarchists who bathe.)
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To: Owen

Sonofusion was reported many years ago in IE Magazine. Nobody cared to notice of course, as it was part of the whole CF panoply of nuclear effects, fought tooth and nail by the science good-old-boy network...


10 posted on 01/27/2006 9:57:46 PM PST by timer
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To: Owen; DB

If I'm not mistaken it means that big expensive multibureaucratic fusion machine that's slated to be built in france may soon look like a dinasaur


11 posted on 01/27/2006 10:00:13 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Psycho_Bunny; timer; Owen; DB; WideGlide; July 4th; skinkinthegrass; Hypervigilant; SteveMcKing

The hunt for a cheap energy replacement for oil is now on about the level of a woolly mammoth hunt for stone age men or a whale hunt for eskimos 400 years ago, or the manhattan project of the 1940's. All the big boys and their research assistants are engaged. Some serious reputations will be made and there is a palpable sense that the beast is nearby.


12 posted on 01/27/2006 10:08:37 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Psycho_Bunny

I hope my explanation in the previous post helped.


13 posted on 01/27/2006 10:10:13 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Hypervigilant

Are you kidding? Cigarette smoke contains benzene which is a known carcinogen. Oh, wait...nevermind.


14 posted on 01/27/2006 10:22:04 PM PST by raygun
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To: Psycho_Bunny

This is the coolest thing I've ever not understood.

LOL!


15 posted on 01/27/2006 10:29:30 PM PST by jwh_Denver (Don't be near Ted Kennedy when his liver explodes.)
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To: DB

Personally, as a soi dissant physicist ( nonpracticing Ph.D. , ) I find the proposed mechanism ridiculous. Consider that the center of the sun is at 10 million Kelvin, and is a very poor producer of fusion, which makes sense when you realize it lasts billions of years without burning out. The human body generates more heat per unit mass than the sun.

There are various superlatives to illustrate the extremity of the solar center environment: A pinhead maintained at that temperature would kill a man a mile away with its radiation ( my uncle told me that years ago - never verified it. ) The radiation pressure alone ( i.e. light pressure, which requires extreme conditions even to be detectable ) would explode the earth ( my calculation . )

Also, perhaps more significantly, note that the hydrogen at the solar center is compressed to 50 times the density of water. Solar collpase is being resisted by the degeneracy pressure of the electrons, which are no longer orbiting the protons, but whizzing about in a background "sea" of negative charge. The protons behave as an ideal gas against this background, mostly "colliding" and being repelled by their coulomb repulsion. Only very, very, occasionally do they have the required energy to approach within the fusion reaction cross section.

The bubble rationale has it that the energy is "focused" and nonthermal, but it has to be thermal, or become thermal very quickly, so my judgment is that the bubble collapses will fall many orders of magnitude short of providing the kinetic energy to fuse protons or deuterons. Obviously, the proponents argue otherwise.

From an experimental point of view, we have this: "In the new setup, the researchers dissolved natural uranium in the solution, which produces bubbles through radioactive decay."

What kind of decay did you say? Producing what particles?

Also note the claim that the neutron radiation is a "statistically significant" increase over background. This is the mantra of ESP researchers.

As to the inverse square verification, I would ask how they could verify this if there signal is much smaller than background, as implied by its relegation to the realm of the "statistically significant".

Anyway, just MHO.


16 posted on 01/27/2006 10:32:25 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: SirKit

Did you see this one?


17 posted on 01/27/2006 10:34:08 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ckilmer
The title of the paper is Nuclear Emissions During Self-Nucleated Acoustic Cavitation, and can be found at the American Physical Society website - abstract available here.

This is an extension of the group's previous research, for example see Science Magazine, 2002. An outline of the research that is fairly accessible is at the Wiki Bubble Fusion page.

18 posted on 01/27/2006 10:36:05 PM PST by M203M4
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19 posted on 01/27/2006 10:39:03 PM PST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
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To: ckilmer

Psycoliteralactic Protophlagilism !


20 posted on 01/27/2006 10:42:55 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (The Death Penalty isn't for making examples it's for making bad people DEAD!)
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