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Toledo, Ohio: Let smokers smoke freely
Toledo Free Press ^
| January 26, 2006
Posted on 01/27/2006 4:35:37 AM PST by SheLion
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Business owners are now "getting it," after watching other states with a forced smoking ban. The loss of revenue and lay-offs and closures is devastating!
Two points from this article that is right on:
This needs to be left up to the business owner. Let the business owner run his or her business as they know it should be."
Let business owners decide this issue, not reactionary zealots.
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Protect our small private businesses owners. The loss of revenue from a forced smoking ban could be devastating!
Let the business owner and his patrons decide. NOT the nanny highly paid professional anti-smokers!
Smoking Bans are choking the economy!
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:35:42 AM PST
by
SheLion
To: The Foolkiller; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; kattracks; Judith Anne; ...
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:36:22 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
To: All
Oak Ridge Labs, TN & SECOND HAND SMOKE Statistics and Data Sciences Group Projects
I think any anti who tries to dismiss the findings of the U.S. Department of Energy labs at Oak Ridge, should be confronted with the question: "Are you saying that DOE researchers committed scientific fraud and that their findings on ETS exposure are untrue?"
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:37:17 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
To: SheLion
I'm sitting here smoking in my office.
And I'm completely allowed to.
By a pretty big company.
Shades of the 80s, huh? ;-)
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:38:26 AM PST
by
Allegra
(Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
To: SheLion
Wow, that was quick! You're gettin' faster 'n faster. LOL Good job. As I told you-I was a bit pi$$ed the just had to parrot that one line about ETS being deadly (Oh? Why won't OSHA act on it, then? Hmmm...), BUT-it's AMAZING this even saw print-especially since this is basically still another leftist rag. They bash Bush/Repubs/Conservatives?christians in all their cartoons, several of their 'columnists' are for a smoking ban everywhere in the U.S. even though that doesn't have a thing to do with whatever they're writing about at the time, they've talked against the Patriot Act, etc. Basically, they're a small version of the Toledo Blade. When a paper like THAT gets it-I have to say, it's went too far, and more and more non-smokers are starting to see the light.
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:44:29 AM PST
by
The Foolkiller
(This country is so proud of the "Freedom" it has. Yet every law that's passed takes more of it away.)
To: Allegra
Wow! Wonderful! What state? Just curious. Guess there are a few free states left, by God.
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:46:09 AM PST
by
The Foolkiller
(This country is so proud of the "Freedom" it has. Yet every law that's passed takes more of it away.)
To: SheLion
This needs to be left up to the business owner. Let the business owner run his or her business as they know it should be." As a nonsmoker, I won't patronize places who do allow smoking. That's my choice, if a business feels they can do without my patronage and still have a going concern, then so be it. I agree, it's the business owners prerogative.
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:46:51 AM PST
by
strange1
("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
To: SheLion; The Foolkiller
Any group that dismisses economic arguments and property rights must be held in suspicion; if Kerr can discount these bedrocks of business so easily, he's trampling on precious entrepreneurial American principles.Fixed.
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:48:48 AM PST
by
metesky
("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
To: The Foolkiller
Wow! Wonderful! What state? Just curious. I work in Iraq. Where just about everyone smokes and you can do so inside everywhere.
I don't think there are any states that are free anymore when it comes to smoking in public buildings. Even Europe is getting pretty persnickety about that.
I'm getting spoiled on this. ;-)
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:49:10 AM PST
by
Allegra
(Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
To: SheLion
Stu Kerr, a former health commissioner in Findlay and the Northwest Ohio campaign coordinator for SmokeFree Ohio, the leading proponent of the ban. Kerr dismissed the bar and restaurant owners' concerns: "They'll bring up property rights argument. They'll bring up economic arguments ... it's bullshit."Well, ain't that special.
There's no argument from us that first- and secondhand smoke is deadly.
In response to this "secondhand smoke is deadly" proclamation I'll quote Kerr, "bullshit."
To: SheLion
I being an ex smoker, I like the idea of smoking and no smoking sections in food establishments....(I don't like smoke in my face while I eat)
after that I believe the government should have a hands off policy.
Tobacco is a legal substance. The governments that are taxing the hell out of tobacco products really don't want them made illegal, it is just too big of a cash cow for them to ban.
That is where the hypocrisy lies. If those who would tax the living hell out of tobacco for the so called good of society were to ban tobacco as a dangerous substance, I could understand it. That is not their intent. BIG tobacco has BIG pockets and these politicos only want to pick them.
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:55:02 AM PST
by
Vaquero
(time again for the Crusades.)
To: SheLion
"The proposed ban, unlike the local ordinance, prohibits smoking in all public buildings."Solution: Open a casino -- the state will then "study" the impact and make a decision "later".
To: Allegra
Bah. I should have known better. Oh, well, at least you're working in a free country.
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:56:30 AM PST
by
The Foolkiller
(This country is so proud of the "Freedom" it has. Yet every law that's passed takes more of it away.)
To: robertpaulsen
LOL True! Just like New Jersey.
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posted on
01/27/2006 4:58:23 AM PST
by
The Foolkiller
(This country is so proud of the "Freedom" it has. Yet every law that's passed takes more of it away.)
To: Allegra
I'm sitting here smoking in my office.And I'm completely allowed to.
By a pretty big company.
Shades of the 80s, huh? ;-)
Oh!! God Bless You!!!
And you are SOOOOOO lucky!! Enjoy it for me, ok? One never knows when the anti-smoking puke bags will come to take that right away from you.
But where you are located, I think you will be pretty safe for now! :)
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posted on
01/27/2006 5:01:49 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
To: All
If you would like to be on or off my Puff Ping list, please let me know!
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posted on
01/27/2006 5:04:31 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
To: SheLion
I don't smoke, but I'll be voting against this smoking ban.
I believe it's an unnecessary government intrusion and the second had smoke propaganda has gone well beyond misleading to outright lies being pushed with public money.
However, I'm not sure I understand how businesses lose business from smoking bans. Do the people just stay home? Or does the "business" move to private clubs?
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To: The Foolkiller; SheLion
Oh, well, at least you're working in a free country. Freedom here is courtesy of the good ol' USA. ;-)
They removed a dictator and provided the right to vote. They never messed with trying to implement smoking laws. (They would be ignored here anyway, like they are in Kuwait.)
You can smoke ANYWHERE you want in the airport, too. Anywhere. I love standing at the Immigration booth getting my passport stamped while smoking a cigarette.
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posted on
01/27/2006 5:10:17 AM PST
by
Allegra
(Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
To: The Foolkiller
Wow, that was quick! You're gettin' faster 'n faster. LOL Good job. As I told you-I was a bit pi$$ed the just had to parrot that one line about ETS being deadly (Oh? Why won't OSHA act on it, then? Hmmm...), BUT-it's AMAZING this even saw print-especially since this is basically still another leftist rag. They bash Bush/Repubs/Conservatives?christians in all their cartoons, several of their 'columnists' are for a smoking ban everywhere in the U.S. even though that doesn't have a thing to do with whatever they're writing about at the time, they've talked against the Patriot Act, etc. Basically, they're a small version of the Toledo Blade. When a paper like THAT gets it-I have to say, it's went too far, and more and more non-smokers are starting to see the light.Why doesn't OSHA respond? Probably for the same reason that the WHO refuses to talk about ETS anymore. heh!
Passive Smoking Doesn't Cause Cancer - Official
The World Health Organization, which commissioned the 12-centre, seven-country European study has failed to make the findings public, and has instead produced only a summary of the results in an internal report. Despite repeated approaches, nobody at the WHO headquarters in Geneva would comment on the findings last week.
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posted on
01/27/2006 5:11:48 AM PST
by
SheLion
(Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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