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What's Left of UNIX ? (Because of LINUX, UNIX faces prospect of a long, slow decline)
Information Week ^ | January 2006 | Charles Babock

Posted on 01/26/2006 9:06:27 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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1 posted on 01/26/2006 9:06:32 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Ipredict CP/M willmake a comeback!...........


2 posted on 01/26/2006 9:08:07 AM PST by Red Badger (LUKE 22:36 JESUS: "........and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."........)
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YowZUH! This GUI stuff was only a passing fad.

This could be series, though - the Mountain Dew and delivery pizza industry is gonna take it in the shorts...

3 posted on 01/26/2006 9:11:05 AM PST by Billthedrill
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ping


4 posted on 01/26/2006 9:11:14 AM PST by kalee (Democrats may do the crime, but they don't do the time.)
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To: SirLinksalot

I have a 9-track tape with some of the original UNIX that ran on a Berkeley VAX.


5 posted on 01/26/2006 9:12:14 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Red Badger

It is amazing how long the demise of VMS and Unix has been discussed!


6 posted on 01/26/2006 9:12:28 AM PST by DonaldC
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To: SirLinksalot

RPG still exists as a language. It's 40 years old at least!

Legacy lives on.


7 posted on 01/26/2006 9:12:59 AM PST by Glenn (What I've dared, I've willed; and what I've willed, I'll do!)
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8 posted on 01/26/2006 9:13:51 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: SirLinksalot

AIX will continue... since it's almost Linux now. AIX 5.3L - L being for Linux affinity, (a Linux kernel).

What's the big deal? Linux/Unix, they look and feel a lot alike. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....


9 posted on 01/26/2006 9:15:30 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: SirLinksalot

The problem w/ Unix is that you're hooked to proprietary, hardware.

And it looks increasingly like little endian hardware has won the war (look at the new Macs running intel processors).


10 posted on 01/26/2006 9:16:08 AM PST by Pessimist
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No one likes the command line. The GUI has killed the techie UNIX.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

11 posted on 01/26/2006 9:16:33 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SirLinksalot

It's not just Linux - all the controversy surrounding SCO has poisoned the Unix well.


12 posted on 01/26/2006 9:16:50 AM PST by gondramB (Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty: a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: goldstategop
No one likes the command line.

I do!

13 posted on 01/26/2006 9:18:03 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: DonaldC

"It is amazing how long the demise of VMS and Unix has been discussed!"

No doubt there will be legacy Unix and VMS apps and hardware for a long time to come. But that'll probably be pretty much their only domain.


14 posted on 01/26/2006 9:18:11 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: brownsfan

"What's the big deal? Linux/Unix, they look and feel a lot alike. ..."

The difference is the hardware their written for. Someone here can correct me, but wasn't all the old Unix stuff mainly run on motorola processors, and more recently PowerPc's?

Nothin' inherently wrong with that... other than the cost due to lower market share.


15 posted on 01/26/2006 9:20:10 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: Billthedrill

I remember an old electronic engineer at a former company I worked for saying,"This surface mount stuff is just an industry fad. Once they find out it's unreliable they'll come back to good ol' thru-hole technology!"........circa 1988.......


16 posted on 01/26/2006 9:20:26 AM PST by Red Badger (LUKE 22:36 JESUS: "........and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."........)
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To: DonaldC
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It is amazing how long the demise of VMS and Unix has been discussed!
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That may be true, but we've got to discuss remaining LIFESPAN. This isn't human life we're talking about, its about the USEFUL life of a product. Here is the key quote from the article...

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Two longtime commercial backers, Hewlett-Packard and IBM, have diverted resources and energy into promoting Linux at the expense of their Unix offerings.
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Note that HP owns VMS *AND* HP-UX. If they are diverting key resources away from VMS and their own version of UNIX, that tells us a lot where they believe the future is. Same is true of IBM and AIX.
This tells me that at least for those with VMS in their shop, Better be serious about porting your project to LINUX within the next 10 years.
17 posted on 01/26/2006 9:20:58 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: goldstategop
No one likes the command line. The GUI has killed the techie UNIX.

VOX Technology will kill the GUI.........(VUI?).......

18 posted on 01/26/2006 9:22:04 AM PST by Red Badger (LUKE 22:36 JESUS: "........and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."........)
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To: Red Badger

Yeah, I remember thinking Windows would never catch on either.

Of course I also remember telling my daughter years ago that Madonna was gonna be a one hit wonder too...

At least I'm consistent! :)


19 posted on 01/26/2006 9:22:14 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: SirLinksalot

Some observations...

HP's virtual abandonment of HP-UX will come back to haunt them, a legacy of Aunt Carly's policy of Windows Everywhere at HP.

The article practially ignores the fact the AIX is a cash cow for IBM, even with their Linux push.

Sun didn't make Solaris open source because it wasn't selling well. It was...Sun has 5 Billion in cash to prove it. Sun wanted more mindshare, so they put Solaris in a postition where anyone could run it. It'll lead to people buying more Sun hardware. Solaris 10 and the new T1 multicore chips will probably bring in a huge chunk of change for Sun.

With Apple going from Classic to OS X, Unix is now the second most popular OS on the desktop; X is just a pretty gui on top of Free BSD with some Mach code thrown in.

The people that don't like the turmoil from the upcoming GPL 3 rewrite fiasco-in-the-making will turn to the BSDs as an alternative; in business it's already happening, with a lot of embedded stuff using NetBSD rather than Linux because of GPL issues.

Lastly...
Linux IS Unix. Say it however you want. It may be a clone, and in some ways, a bad clone, but it's still Unix. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck....it's a duck. So success for Linux is still success for Unix.


20 posted on 01/26/2006 9:23:18 AM PST by DesScorp
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