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To: son of caesar

So you basically say, that if then-Chancellor Konrad Adenauer (voted to by the greatest German last year) had continued his plan for a nuclear Bundeswehr, we would have had a hot war with the Union of the Sovereign Soviet Republics? Nah, you and I know that the Soviets wouldn´t have been that dumb. But it surely could have harmed the West on minor sceneries in the world (such as Berlin, Cuba, seas).

Btw, was my English grammar correct in this post? I still feel insecure on the "would"-cases in the past.


15 posted on 01/26/2006 2:47:29 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

yes sir, your grammer was correct and indeed you write english very well, congrats to you. with regards to a hot war with the soviets, i think they would have tried if they thought the situation proper. look at the berlin airlift, im sure they were just confounded on how it was handled, again look at hungary, more violent tactics ala moscow style. by the way, you may rest very tranquil in all seriousness that if iran hits germany with a nuke, the usa will reduce iran to rubble. we understand the concept of layered battle management very well. good night to you and stay well.


16 posted on 01/26/2006 2:54:58 AM PST by son of caesar (son of caesar)
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To: Michael81Dus

The problem is as they get nukes in their arsenal they are becoming a more muslim nation.

As they become more muslim and more muslims continue to flood into Germany, there will be more muslim voters (legal) and then you know how that goes. They will put some nutcase in office and oh yeah, he would have control of nuke in Europe.


17 posted on 01/26/2006 2:56:58 AM PST by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: Michael81Dus

My desire to protect Germany has waned since Germany has so actively undermined us in our efforts to protect ourselves.

Much the same way France has.

If Germany would step up to the plate and actually help with blood and treasure proportionate with your country's wealth that opinion would change.


22 posted on 01/26/2006 3:26:30 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: Michael81Dus
While Der Alte may well have wanted a nuclear-armed Bundeswehr in the 1950s, German posession of nuclear weapons would not have been acceptable to any of the Allied Powers then. If you will recall, when the multilateral nuclear force (MLF) was proposed in the early 1960s, which would have included German participation, the howls from England and France, and even some quarters in the US, were so great that the plan was scrapped. Tom Lehrer, the US comedy song writer for the show "That Was the Week that Was" wrote a rather funny song about the controversy, "MLF Lullaby":

Sleep, baby, sleep, in peace may you slumber
No danger lurks, your sleep to encumber
We've got the missiles, peace to determine
And one of the fingers on the button will be German

Why shouldn't they have nuclear warheads
England says no, but they are all soreheads
I say a bygone should be a bygone
Let's make peace the way we did in Stanleyville and Saigon

Once all the Germans were warlike and mean
But that couldn't happen again
We taught them a lesson in nineteen eighteen
And they've hardly bothered us since then

So sleep well, my darling, the sandman can linger
We know our buddies won't give us the finger
Heil - hail - the Wehrmacht, I mean the Bundeswehr
Hail to our loyal ally
MLF will scare Brezhnev
I hope he is half as scared as I!

I confess that as much as I have long considered myself a Germanophile, I remain fundamentally uncomfortable with the notion of Germany having nuclear weapons. There is something in the German soul that encourages people to extremes of one form or another: I see the radical pacificism, the leftist revolutionism, and facism are all of a piece pyschologically.

27 posted on 01/26/2006 4:34:21 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Michael81Dus

"So you basically say, that if then-Chancellor Konrad Adenauer (voted to by the greatest German last year)"

Voted by whom? People age 70 and above? People who were not born when he ruled?


32 posted on 01/26/2006 4:40:02 AM PST by WoofDog123
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