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Ahmadinejad Awaits the Hidden Imam (Interesting perpective!)
The American Thinker ^ | 1/25/2006 | John Swails

Posted on 01/25/2006 12:16:35 PM PST by Dark Skies

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To: Billthedrill
I have a confession to make. It's me. When I take over Islam there's gonna be some changes made, baby!

Billthedrill Akbar! :)
21 posted on 01/25/2006 12:41:07 PM PST by Man50D
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To: Dark Skies

Am I the only one who believes that Mahmoud, when he refers to the Hidden Imam, the Mahdi, is referring to himself? And that he is just waiting for his countrymen to recognize this, and to acclaim him as their long promised savior?

How long will it be before Mahmoud starts asserting that he is of the proper family lineage, etc? Not long, I'd bet.

I can't quite decide whether Mahmoud is one of the great snake-oil salesmen of his day, or if he is just unhinged.


22 posted on 01/25/2006 12:43:07 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: Dark Skies

This author has written the best analysis I've seen of this "hidden Imam" apocalyptic Islam. He writes that he takes Amendinjad at his word. All his murderous words


23 posted on 01/25/2006 12:49:48 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Dark Skies
Shhh...the hidden Imam is really that Heineken dude from New Orleans.
24 posted on 01/25/2006 12:51:11 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: Dark Skies
Ahmadinejad reported that many of his co-religionists claimed that while he was making those remarks, they could see about him an aura of light. He recalled that he too was aware of a celestial light at that time. He also pointed to the fact that the “leaders of the world” were watching him at that time with a fixed gaze, apparently unable to look away.

Those must be some powerful drugs somebody put into their drinks and food before Amadmanwantsjihad spoke at the U.N.

Somebody really needs to make that mad man's dream come true. Perhaps some 'hidden' poison, or a 'hidden' bomb? How 'bout some 'hidden' B2 bombers (Stealth bombers)? The mad man may not be too far from the truth when the Stealth bombers suddenly appear to take him out.
25 posted on 01/25/2006 12:52:54 PM PST by adorno
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To: dennisw
I agree. I thought this guy rolled up his sleeves and got into the crux of the issue.

BTW, like your new tag line. One of my favorite movies.

26 posted on 01/25/2006 12:53:16 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: adorno

"Amadmanwantsjihad" LOL!!!


27 posted on 01/25/2006 12:55:42 PM PST by gop4lyf
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To: yldstrk

I thought Ahmadinejad thinks he is the MAHDI.


28 posted on 01/25/2006 12:58:41 PM PST by brooklyn dave (Confirm Alito Now)
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To: Dark Skies
Ahmadinejad's interested in the Hidden Imam; I'm much more interested in the hidden Iman:


29 posted on 01/25/2006 1:01:37 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Dark Skies

Please note the author is a professor of religion at Oral Roberts University.

Thanks on the tag line:)


30 posted on 01/25/2006 1:02:38 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: yldstrk
>>>I agree. The man is extemely dangerous and should be taken at his word.<<<

I agree. The man is extemely dangerous and should be taken out!.

31 posted on 01/25/2006 1:05:16 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: alloysteel

I am the Hidden Imam. Boo!


32 posted on 01/25/2006 1:05:32 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Dark Skies
This is just a repeat of history in a sense:

Sudan, 1882-1898

Khedive ISMAIL PASHA had been deposed in 1879; his successor TAWFIQ was perceived as weak, under the influence of URABI PASHA.. Following political intrigues at the court in Cairo, Urabi Pasha was ousted and the British government used the inability of the Egyptian administration to pay interest on her national bet to declare Egypt a BRITISH PROTECTORATE.

In the KORDOFAN region of the Sudan, MUHAMMAD AHMAD declared himself to be the MAHDI, the expected one, a mouthpiece of the prophet, and assembled a community of followers. While the Egyptian administration during the preceding 6 decades had not been resented per se, many reforms introduced by her - the modernization of the army, the limitation of the application of the Sharia, the implementation of taxation, the abolition of slavery - were, all the more if they were perceived as alien to Islamic tradition, as due to Western pressure or influence.

The presence of christian missionaries, the fact that Westerners such as Samuel White Baker, Charles Gordon, Eduard Schnitzler (Emin Pascha) occupied leading positions in the Egyptian administration of the Sudan personified this western influence.

Historian P.M. Holt stresses that the Mahdiyya originated in the Kordofan, began as a regional phenomenon, in 1881. The Mahdi called on his followers to refuse taxation and to fight the 'Turks'. Attempts by Governor MUHAMMAD RA'UF to arrest the Mahdi, to contain the rebellion failed; soon Kordofan, except her garrisons, was under the control of the Mahdiyya.

In Jan. 1883 the garrisons of Bara and El Obeid surrendered. The Egyptian administration sent an army commanded by a British officer, WILLIAM HICKS; it was annihilated on Nov. 5th 1883. In the BATTLE OF SHAYKAN the Mahdiyya acquired modern weaponry and ammunition.

While British Prime Minister sent General Charles "Chinese" Gordon, who was appointed Governor General by the Khedive, to Khartoum, with the order to evacuate the Edyptian residents of the city, the Mahdi had established his control over much of the Sudanese countryside; Khartoum and a few strongholds along the Nile were still held by Egyptians, as was the south - the Bahr-el-Ghazal and Equatoria. The Governor of Bahr-el-Ghazal, Englishman F.M. LUPTON, surrendered to a Mahdist expedition in April 1884; Governor of Equatoria EMIN PASCHA (German Eduard Schnitzler) rather than awaiting a Mahdist force he could not possibly resist, moved south and established residence at WADELAI on Lake Albert. At Suakin (Port Sudan) on the Red Sea the Egyptian garrison also held out.

The Mahdist forces established their camp at OMDURMAN, opposite Khartoum, and laid siege to the latter, which held out until January 26th 1885; Governor Gordon was killed in the attack. A British relief force arrived on British steamers two days later. The MAHDI died of disease June 22nd 1885.

The administration fell into the hands of the Mahdi's chosen successors, the 4 Caliphs, most notably Abdallah ibn Muhammad. The Mahdiyya administration followed the model of the early Caliphate, restored the Sharia to universal application and reduced taxation. Christians faced persecution. In one aspect the Mahdi diverted from the tradition of Sudanese governors - he had coins struck. Abdallah ibn Muhammad quickly consolidated his position; a feared British invasion did not materialize; expansion continued as the garrisons of KASSALA and SENNAR fell in July/August 1885. DARFUR (the Sultan of which had lead an army against Khartoum in 1886) was brought under control, a border war with christian ABYSSINIA fought - King John of Abyssinia was killed in a March 1889 battle. Another war was fought on the border with Egypt.

The military events in 1889, which, besides the battle with the Ethiopians included the crushing of a revolt in Darfur and a defeat the defeat of an expedition sent against Egypt, marked the climax of Mahdist expansion. A misharvest caused severe famine; the privileged treatment given to the Khalifa's tribe, the TA'AISHA, caused general resentment; an 1891 rebellion was suppressed. A Mahdist expedition into Italian Eritrea was defeated in 1893; Italian forces took Kassala in 1894. The same year a Belgian force established a stronghold at REJAF in what was to be called the LADO ENCLAVE.

While the Khalifa's rule became more and more despotic, the French (1895) planned an expedition to the Nile, under COLONEL MARCHAND. Now the British administration realized that her claim on the central Nile valley was questioned by the Italians, Belgians and French; in 1896 a British force commanded by SIR HERBERT KITCHENER was dispatched to occupy Dongola; it occupied Berber in 1887, defeated the main Mahdist force at Atbara on April 8th 1898; Omdurman fell on September 1st 1898.

33 posted on 01/25/2006 1:10:49 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Now that's a leader that I could follow. WOW! Not much hidden, though.


34 posted on 01/25/2006 1:14:50 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies
In another post from the "American Thinker", (Thinking the Unthinkable About Iran) Ahmadinejad has demonstrated his belief in the "Mahadi" by building a rail line from Teheran to the town where the Mahadi supposedly resides; built a wide avenue in Teheran to welcome the Mahadi; built a palace north of Teheran for him when he returns; and dropped his selection of cabinet members down a well to get the Mahadi's approval.

If this was all he was doing, I say leave him alone. But in light of his threats to Israel, The US and Europe, it adds perspective to his madness....and dangerous volitility.

There is a great need for some "wet work" on this guy.

35 posted on 01/25/2006 1:15:59 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: untenured
He's suppose to reappear in a Armageddon type war and bring victory to the Muslims. Ahmedinijad is trying to bring Armageddon so that the hidden Imam will return and give them victory. Or so the theory goes...
36 posted on 01/25/2006 1:19:55 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: Dark Skies

Ignore someone obsessed about the Mahdi concept...and you might just
end up dead...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060588/#comment

The way this film has been ignored since 9-11 is simply amazing.


37 posted on 01/25/2006 1:24:55 PM PST by VOA
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To: Dark Skies

I think the hidden Imam is Bush and when he comes over there they will have to suspend their political establishment.


38 posted on 01/25/2006 1:26:40 PM PST by tiki
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To: alloysteel
Or worse, the "hidden Imam" turns out to be a (gasp!) FEMALE!

now wouldn't that be the funniest thing ever!!

39 posted on 01/25/2006 1:27:22 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: yldstrk

Unfortunately, it will probably take another 9/11 incident before we take this nutball out.


40 posted on 01/25/2006 1:28:03 PM PST by tom paine 2
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