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Stein Stands by 'L.A. Times' Column on U.S. Troops That Drew Protest
Editor and Publisher ^ | January 25, 2006 10:30 AM ET | E&P Staff

Posted on 01/25/2006 10:09:34 AM PST by Checkers

NEW YORK Los Angeles Times columnist Joel Stein says he stands by his Tuesday column after being what he called "bombarded" with email. Stein, the former Time magazine staff writer, had written a column that began, "I don't support our troops."

Stein tells Reuters he does not regret writing it and stands by the premise.

The Times online site has put up a poll on the subject, in its opinion sections, asking readers if someone can oppose the war but support the troops, yes or no? It also offers a third choice: "I don't know, Why did you hire Joel Stein again?"

The article, which ran on the Times opinion page on Tuesday, was quickly linked on conservative sites and others, and hundreds of letters poured in to Stein and the Times. Bruce Pyle of Las Vegas, Nev., wrote to E&P that "it is going to be hard to distinguish between Stein and Bin Laden when it comes to their views on America."

One man posted at the NewsBusters site, "Stein should be bowing his head in shame. Doubtful though." Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin quickly nominated Stein as "one of the most loathsome people in America."

Stein, whose columns are often humorous in nature, commented to Reuters that whenever a politician opposes the war but supports the troops "I just always think they are covering their ass." He appeared on the talk radio show of conservative Hugh Hewitt in Los Angeles on Tuesday and said, "I don't want empty sentiments prolonging the war."

Hewitt had written on his blog, "These are not illegal opinions, of course, but they are deeply repulsive ones, and I don't believe the Los Angeles Times ought to have run this column."

At the same time, Atrios at the liberal blog, Eschaton, dubbed Stein "Wanker of the Day."

A message board at the Los Angeles Times site was flooded with anti-Stein comments, one suggesting that he was the "love child" of former Times columnist Robert Scheer and Jane Fonda. There was some support, too, such as this example: "Finally someone had the guts to say it. These soldiers are volunteers and responsible for the deaths of more than 50,000 innocent men, women and children and they should be held responsible, just like the people who started this illegal war."

In his column, Stein wrote that "being against the war and saying you support the troops" suggests that "the one lesson they took away from Vietnam wasn't to avoid foreign conflicts with no pressing national interest but to remember to throw a parade afterward."

Stein added: "I understand the guilt. We know we're sending recruits to do our dirty work, and we want to seem grateful."

Other points:

--"Blindly lending support to our soldiers, I fear, will keep them overseas longer by giving soft acquiescence to the hawks who sent them there — and who might one day want to send them somewhere else."

--"Besides, those little yellow ribbons aren't really for the troops. They need body armor, shorter stays and a USO show by the cast of 'Laguna Beach.' The real purpose of those ribbons is to ease some of the guilt we feel for voting to send them to war and then making absolutely no sacrifices other than enduring two Wolf Blitzer shows a day...."

--"After we've decided that we made a mistake, we don't want to blame the soldiers who were ordered to fight. Or even our representatives, who were deceived by false intelligence. And certainly not ourselves, who failed to object to a war we barely understood."

--"All I'm asking is that we give our returning soldiers what they need: hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe, immediate return."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: joelstein
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1 posted on 01/25/2006 10:09:36 AM PST by Checkers
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To: Checkers

Joel Stein can be reached at: thejoelstein@yahoo.com < thejoelstein@yahoo.com>


2 posted on 01/25/2006 10:10:03 AM PST by Checkers (Mort Kondracke: "Kennedy has been character assassinating Judicial nominees since...Haynesworth.")
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To: Checkers

At least Stein is more honest than most of the rest of the left.


3 posted on 01/25/2006 10:13:10 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Checkers

OK, the guy's a putz. But he is speaking what he really believes....as opposed to many Democrats in the Congress who insist they support the troops and the Patriot Act. Both assertions, are, of course, horse-hockey.


4 posted on 01/25/2006 10:14:13 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Checkers

I give the idiot credit for admitting what 90% of democrats really think.


5 posted on 01/25/2006 10:14:43 AM PST by pissant
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To: the_Watchman
At least Stein is more honest than most of the rest of the left.

A short while back he wrote: ""We Jews find it a little embarrassing that adults can still make such a big fuss over Christmas. To us, Jesus was just a cool guy everyone liked because he died young."

6 posted on 01/25/2006 10:15:36 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Checkers

Joel's calculating that this is his ticker to MSM fame and fortune and he may be right.


7 posted on 01/25/2006 10:16:32 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Checkers

I give Stein credit. At least he isn't a hypocrite like so many others on the left.


8 posted on 01/25/2006 10:16:52 AM PST by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: the_Watchman


Kind of reminds me of The Peanut man saying that Hamas are honest terrorists the other day.


9 posted on 01/25/2006 10:17:39 AM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: the_Watchman

he's being intellectually honest. more than can be said of most.


10 posted on 01/25/2006 10:20:52 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
You have a point there. The man has chosen to be courageously open about his total lack of a clue. He is honest about his own pathetic nature.

I've read the column in question and felt disgusted afterward. I imagine I'd feel the same way after watching amateur lesbian porno movies. Or, to give men equal time "Bareback Mounting."
11 posted on 01/25/2006 10:22:46 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Shame, not sanctions - UN policy on Iran)
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To: Rakkasan1

Many on the left say they "support the troops" but every action they do, hurts the troops.


12 posted on 01/25/2006 10:27:37 AM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: Checkers
My vote is that he is just as dishonest as the rest. Just a bit more eloquent in his ability to lie.

Muleteam1

13 posted on 01/25/2006 10:29:05 AM PST by Muleteam1
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To: Checkers

Stein's a light-weight looking for MSM heavy-weight status. Ignore him.


14 posted on 01/25/2006 10:30:55 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: Checkers

Put it down to envy of the military.


15 posted on 01/25/2006 10:37:19 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: .cnI redruM
The lad in his younger days:
16 posted on 01/25/2006 10:40:37 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Checkers

I wrote this letter to the editor of the LA Times:


I would like to commend Joel Stein on his recent column, "Warriors and Wusses." I happen to be on the opposite side of the issue, but I do admire him for his honesty, particularly in a time when everyone in the Democratic Party is busy pandering to the contrary. He's right. You can't support the troops and not suppport the war. It's idiotic and condescending. And when the Democrats say otherwise, the rest of us, including those troops, know they're echoing poll numbers and not their own beliefs. It's beyond transparent. If you listen to what's coming from the floors of Congress or from the rest of the media, you know that Joel Stein is not the only one who doesn't support the troops. He's just the only one willing to admit it.


17 posted on 01/25/2006 10:45:10 AM PST by Jessica24
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To: Checkers
Laura Ingraham was commenting today that this Stein clown may very well be a Republican mole because his writing is such a caricature of what passes as 'thought' on the left.

Perhaps it's actually Mark Steyn that's wrote the column and passed it off to Joel?? /tinfoil

18 posted on 01/25/2006 11:05:47 AM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: Checkers
I heard an interview of this vacuum tube on Hugh Hewitt last evening. So far as I can tell, the only legitimate use for the U.S. armed forces in this twit's view is disaster relief.
19 posted on 01/25/2006 11:21:59 AM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: Checkers

20 posted on 01/25/2006 11:48:00 AM PST by SquirrelKing
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