Don't Ask, Don't Tell: Military Discharges Hundreds

ClickonDetroit ^ | January 25, 2006 | AP

[Snickersnee]

So all the men who ever got a hummer from their wives would be kicked out too?

The answer is yes; about a dozen guys are kicked out each year for that, DoD-wide. The usual context is that a vengeful spouse blows the whistle (pardon the expression) on the GI to his chain of command. They will be obliged to do something and she isn't covered by the UCMJ!

[Sensei Ern]

In my unit, we all agreed(I was a foolish 18 year old at the time) that if we ever identified someone of our unit as a homo, they would get our first bullet.

I know that pact gets passed on in every combat unit everywhere.

We were concerned that the sex drive of the queer would over take him "Brokeback" style if we were in a fox hole with them. We did not want to have to watch for a sex-crazed homo shooting us so he could get off on our dieing corpse. I know that not all homos are necrophiliacs, but at 18, I didn't know that, and I did not want to take the chance that the one in my foxhole was.

[higgmeister]

The 350 or so affected are a tiny fraction of the 1.4 million members of the uniformed services and about 3.5 percent of the more than 10,000 people discharged under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy since its inception in 1994.

Probably half that number used the program as a way to get
out of their enlistment or commitment. Just as some women
get pregnant to get a quick early out.

That's the Admin separation of "I don't want to go to Turkey,
I'll just tell them I'm gay."

[brwnsuga]

Wow, that was alot of research. I'm almost impressed. Does being a FReeper mean that I have to have groupthink? It is after all the Free Republic. My husband and countless others, fight everyday for my right of free expression. I will use it. If you think thats trolling, then so be it. I will never change the way I think, feel or speak because of pressure to be like everybody else. If that was the case I'd be over a DU with those fools. I have a problem with people who have a problem with people thinking differently than them.

[brwnsuga]

"about a dozen guys are kicked out each year for that"


No way. You'd have to be one vengeful b*tch to do that to your spouse or ex-spouse.

[xone]

'Wow, that was alot of research. I'm almost impressed.'

Wouldn't be surprised, you seem easily impressed.

'Does being a FReeper mean that I have to have groupthink?'

No, just no trolling allowed.

'My husband and countless others, fight everyday for my right of free expression.'

As have others before him, it is nothing new. A real live OMBUDSMAN like yourself should know that.

'I will never change the way I think, feel or speak because of pressure to be like everybody else. If that was the case I'd be over a DU with those fools.'

You spout the same nonsense already.

'I have a problem with people who have a problem with people thinking differently than them.'

I would agree you have a problem. It is called trolling.

[MajorityOfOne]

"I hope this little exposition has clarified the situation for you."

Not really, since your "explanation" of the UCMJ is downright incoherent. You seem to be saying that you have a problem with the UCMJ since it only allows courtsmartial of soldiers if they've actually engaged in homosexual acts -- except it doesn't.
Overall, the posts on this thread seem to prove the old adage that, the more ignorant a person is, the more violently certain he is in his beliefs.

[CodeToad]

"They want to fight and die for their country, that's honorable right?"


That isn't the part with which people have a problem. One problem is that gays have deviant sexual behavior, mainly sodomizing each other. Imagine being in a combat zone and having to witness two homos kissing and sodomizing each other. They add to the stress of being in combat because now a straight guy has to worry about the homo next to him making advances, being a pervert, and behaving in weird ways. That adds to the distrust of the homo and in combat there can be no distrust.

[ABN 505]

You have never slept in a shipboard compartment that measures 12' X 18' with 11 other guys have you? I have, and the flamer that slept in the rack across from me leered like, well a drunken horny sailor. How would you like to drop trou' three feet from that? How would you like to be cooped up for years with that? I remember a few years back reading about a sailor Who was accused of raping another sailor he had gotton drunk with while the man was passed out in his bunk.I believe he went to prison for quite a long time.

[Dilbert56]

As was pointed out earlier in this thread, this is a law passed by Congress. Folks can vent all they want at the Pentagon but they're only doing what they're told. It's true the military can influence Congress in that decision by saying a different policy would hurt their effectiveness. If so, can we blame Congress for listening to the people whose lives are on the line?

/FLAME ON

Our military should be used to win wars. It should not be a culture dish for social experiments. Nor should it be forcing heterosexual men to change who they are or how they feel so 1-2% of the population can exercise another invented "right". As others have brought up, there are some analogies to women serving alongside men. Just because that (somewhat successful) social experiment caused problems isn't an excuse to create others.

[brwnsuga]

Xone,
Wow. You're off the chain. Why don't you go have a glass of wine and soak in some Calgon and calm down a little? You must be a doosie to live with if you let a stranger get you that riled up.

[xone]

Does this mean your lovey-dovey freepmails to me were just so much BS? I am shocked to see that behavior from a troll I tell ya.

[brwnsuga]

No, I still love you Xone, I just worry about your blood pressure.

[Antoninus]

Why kick them out? They want to fight and die for their country, that's honorable right?

Because in the long run, they do a lot more harm than good--especially as they work their way up to the higher echelons.

Ask the Catholic Church about what a great idea it was to ordain homosexuals as priests. Not only have there been hundreds of homo-sex abuse cases, when some of these individuals got to be bishops, they made it a point to ONLY ordain homo-priests and then protect the abusive priests to the nth degree.

There have always been minor sex-abuse/rape/harrassment problems in the military. If you want that to get a lot worse, keep encouraging the open service of homosexuals.

In my opinion, the policy should be "do ask, do tell, do dishonorably discharge."

[Antoninus]

But as long as you don't have sex on the job, fraternized or harrass anyone, why should you be kicked out?

Again, you're assuming that someone with SSAD is able to function in such an environment--surrounded by the objects of their sexual desire 24-7--without having problems. In my opinion, that's just asking for bad trouble.

For example, it would be a bad idea to put me in charge of an overnight camp of 19-year-old women where I actually had to sleep in the same room as they did and share their toilet facilities. And I'd be the first to say so.

[Antoninus]

That's happening now with women being in the military. Are you going to kick them out because someone finds one attractive? That's just silly. If women really want true equality in the military, they should be willing to go where ever they're sent.

You have inadvertently discovered the reason why women should not be in the active military. Support roles? Yes.

[Antoninus]

Because if you are secure in your masculinity, why is it so threatening to be ogled by another dude?

So you're ok with having guys in your bathroom then? And showering with them?

[napscoordinator]

Not being a smart ass,
but it was the General was retired. He was able to retire even with his discretion.

[brwnsuga]

No, of course not. But people are acting like military people spend 90% of their day in the shower and bathroom. I'm talking about peoples ability to do their job. Jeez.