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To: oceanview

I don't buy that.

It's become a mantra I have heard all my life, something we are expected to believe without any supporting evidence.

I have seen what rapid population growth has done to the area I live in, and it's NOT good for most of us.
It's great for the wealthy people moving in, and Hell for the people who have been here for some time.
It's a requirement for the big chain stores, and death to small business.
It's a similar pot of gold for realtors, and toxic waste for families who wanted to be able to leave the farm or ranch to their children.

"Negative Growth" (an oxymoron) would indeed cause problems for Ponzi schemes like social security, and it would be an issue for people who have based their fortunes on double digit increases in real estate prices.

But, with some adjustment to our economic strategy, it could be just what the country and planet needs in the long run.

But without control over our borders, we have no control over our growth in any case.


93 posted on 01/25/2006 10:40:04 PM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Richard-SIA; oceanview

I agree with your assessment.

I think where oceanview is going is, the "native" population finds itself having to match the reproductive rate of the newer arrivals in order to maintain any resemblance of the existing culture. Basically we get out-bred into minority status in our own countries. If I'm wrong oceanview will probably correct me.

You are right, without border control, and an orderly immigration program, growth will always be out of control.


97 posted on 01/26/2006 9:14:04 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Richard-SIA

my only point is that hispanic americans, whether they be first generation legal immigrants from various countries, or 2nd (3rd, etc) generation american citizens born of immigrant parents - are generally very well assimilated americans (bi-lingualism concerns me, I will admit, but alot of that is a function of the public school systems not teaching english). can you say the same about european muslims? no way.

that said, its the illegals that are messing things up, and very badly at that. I think more naturalized american hispanics are seeing that, that's a consensus that the part of the republican party that is concerned about illegal immigration, needs to tap into.


102 posted on 01/26/2006 11:20:55 AM PST by oceanview
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