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To: webstersII
If you think the gov't can fix this you are sadly mistaken.

No, it is you who's mistaken. Reread my post.

Nowhere, and absolutely nowhere, did I say it was the government alone that could fix these problems.

Yes, I said that Constitutional Amendments and a strict-constructionist SCOTUS can effectively right these wrongs.

But to get to that point, the people have to be involved. Since this is a concept that is, amazingly enough, still taught in elementary-school classes, I felt it wasn't necessary to spell out that point in black and white.

For Constitutional Amendments and laws to get to SCOTUS, the people have to act. Laws are easier to slip past people in the cours of politicking at the statehouse. But remember that a Constitutional Amendment needs a two-thirds majority in each house, then ratification by three-fourths of the states. Thus there is no feasible way a Constitutional Amendment can go into force without the support of the people at some point in the process.

I say this because the people have to act through the government. The muck is beyond a point where society can clean it up by itself, ergo, society must enlist the aid of government, though it must be careful in approach--being careful what we wish for.

For these reasons, I stand by my word.

122 posted on 01/26/2006 10:50:51 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

"Since this is a concept that is, amazingly enough, still taught in elementary-school classes, I felt it wasn't necessary to spell out that point in black and white."

Apparently they taught how to create Constitutional Amendments at your elementary school but they neglected to teach reading comprehension.

I said that the issue was with the hearts and minds of people in this country. But not in the sense that their hearts and minds need to warm to the idea of using gov't to enact laws to change behavior. The change in hearts and minds is needed so that people will stop being consumers of this stuff at every level; right now it's pervasive enough that you can't legislate against it.

There's evidence that it's already changing to an extent -- movie revenues are falling drastically, for example. And the more that people keep making the right choices the more society will change, and the more that advertising dollars will reflect that change. After all, it's all demand-driven anyway.

You said people need to get involved and change the gov't to add new Consitutional Amendments and a SCOTUS that will back it up. The solutions you propose are still based on the old Post-FDR, Baby-Boomer idea of just creating some new laws and that will fix the problem. You can blindly stand by your ideas all you want but it's still the same ol', same ol' liberal idea that gov't can (and should) fix everything by passing the right laws.


126 posted on 01/26/2006 11:34:59 AM PST by webstersII
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