President May Be in Deep Trouble Over Deliberate Bombing of Civilians -- A War Crime?

Spartacus.Schoolnet.co.uk ^ | 1-2006

[Cacique]

bump for later

[Reform4Bush]

For a second there I thought I had in IBTZ on DFU.

/heresy

[Reform4Bush]

in = an

[jecIIny]

"Dresden was payback, pure and simple. For what, you ask?

For Coventry, which had no military significance except as a coal centre and (emphasis) minor troop staging area. Two small airfields (prior to the city's destruction), although RAF were considering upgrading them significantly in 1939.

Sauce for the gander, boyo. Payback, as ever, is a b*tch."

I respectfully but firmly reject the moral code of revenge that you seem to espouse.

[weegee]

That's what Americans like Mildred Gillars (aka Axis Sally) and William Joyce (aka Lord Haw Haw) said.

Axis Sally even gave a "don't say 'my country right or wrong'" speech to her American listeners.

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Socialists suck.

[jecIIny]

"It's called War. More cities should have been dealt with the same way in WW2."

I think you should have been rooting for the other side given your views.

"By the way, coalition forces are not allowed to target mosque's even when they see terrorists entering them."

If this is true then I do not agree with that policy.

[SAJ]

Uh, weeg, I think you missed the unposted /sarc tag...

;^)

[DTogo]

Yep. Heard very similar stories from the Tokyo in-laws. But we're allies, friends, and family now.

[de Buillion]

"Great post. This should be posted again tomorrow for more to see. "

It is now 012406, and it's still here- But it will still be here 012506, I promise!

[jecIIny]

"You are welcome to that view, sir.

May I respectfully but firmly suggest that you never by any action, whether intentional or not, threaten the survival of my nation, my family, or myself.

Because, should you do so, you have my personal guarantee, stated right here for all to see, that I will make Dresden look like amateur night as regards you and your loved ones.

Now, I do not in any way suggest that you intend or would intend to do as mentioned above. I merely warn you of the consequent.

Live and let live? Fine with me. Attempt to impose your views, politics, or lifestyle by force upon me and you will pay a very, very heavy price. I have no intention whatever of imposing my views, politics, or lifestyle upon you -- you're not worth the trouble.

Once again, it all boils down to that, I assume now classic, American sentiment: don't start no shjt, won't be no shjt."

Sounds to me that it is you who is imposing views politics etc by threats. And that it is you who are demanding that I abide by whatever standard you deem consistent with the safety of your country which you seem to have ignored is also mine. Frankly you sound like the people that we are fighting against. I normally try very hard to avoid polemics and ad hominum criticisms but I really do feel compelled to state that the tone and language of your post is totally out of line. Threats of any kind are totally inappropriate in this forum. It is deeply offensive and I resent it.

[de Buillion]

"WOW. Are you advocating this kind of tactic? If you are then I disagree more strongly than polite language will allow me to express"

I am of the feeling that Doug from upland might be stating an applicable historical fact from another war, as a response to some of the idiot protestations of the traitorous Democratic ravings and screechings over some of Mr. Bush's actions to protect our nation. I did look at your homepage, and urge all respondants to this thread to do so. Form your own opinions.

[jecIIny]

Thanks. We already traded posts and got it sorted out.

[jecIIny]

PS to my previous... I hope there was nothing on my home page that disturbed or offended you.

[gleeaikin]

Anyone interested in a very wrenching story about Dresden should read "Slaughterhouse-Five" by Kurt Vonnegut. Mostly it is about American prisoners of war in Dresden at the time of the bombing.

There is a technical quote that may interest you. It is from the introduction to "The Destruction of Dresden" by David Irving and was written by an American and a British air officer. "I deeply regret that British and U.S. bombers killed 135,000 people in the attack on Dresden, but I remember who started the last war and I regret even more the loss of more than 5,000,000 Allied lives in the necessary effort to completely defeat and utterly destroy nazism." "On the night of March 9th, 1945, and air attack on Tokyo by American heavy bombers, using incendiary and high explosive bombs, caused the death of 83,793 people. The atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima killed 71,379 people."

If you think that photo was bad, you should see the photos that I unfortunately saw of the firestorm our bombing caused in Hamburg, Germany. Then, of course, there were the ghastly photos of the huge mass graves of dead jews at the freshly liberated concentration camps that were still open. Saw those at age 8, and the memory still has a deep impact.

I think it was General Patton who said something like "It is good that war is so horrible or else we would come to love it too much."

[jecIIny]

"I think it was General Patton who said something like "It is good that war is so horrible or else we would come to love it too much.""

Actually it was Robert E. Lee. An excellent quote though.

[gridlock]

It's a hand grenade, comparing Bush to Roosevelt. You definitely are hitting liberals with it, and everyone else in the room!

The lesson is clear enough. When you are in a war, each side will do what it needs to do to win. Even the noblest countries will resort to brutal methods, if that is what is required.

The NAZIs tried to do the same in London, but were not able to. The Islamakazis will do the same in New York, given the chance. So let's make sure they never get the chance.

[jamaksin]

Lee, paraphrasing, got it from Vespasian (or rather Titus Flavius Sabinus Vespasianus, he being a Roman and coming from a large family).

[SAJ]

Yawn. Resent away -- it's your right as an American.

For the record, I don't give a tinker's d*mn what you believe. Anything you care to, fine with me.

Impose my views on you? As noted before, you aren't worth the trouble.

Ta-ta.