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Near-utopian future presented at smart growth workshop
The Ukiah Daily Journal (Mendicino County) ^ | January 21, 2006 | Seth Freedland

Posted on 01/23/2006 8:26:24 PM PST by Lorianne

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To: Lorianne
a near-utopian life for Ukiahans -- full of walkable communities, slower traffic and more prominent greenscaping.
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With wider streets, drivers instinctively speed, resulting in more accidents, he said, but narrower ... roads help

IOW, "traffic-unfriendly" planning, which leaving no room for growth (since most things and people depend on cars to go anywhere) and a high likelihood of future traffic jams.

21 posted on 01/24/2006 4:26:32 AM PST by heleny
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leaving = leaves


22 posted on 01/24/2006 4:26:57 AM PST by heleny
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To: Lorianne
but narrower, more pedestrian friendly roads help across the board

Not if there's on-street parking on one or both sides of the road. Ever watch an emergency vehicle try to make it down a narrow street with parked cars, especially big ones, on one or both sides? That ain't going to help response time.

23 posted on 01/24/2006 4:31:04 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Lorianne

My Wife bought a strapless bra in Ukiah.


24 posted on 01/24/2006 4:55:13 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Lorianne
These people are on my personal enemies list:

American Planning Association

Smart Growth Online

Here are a couple of good articles that indicts both Smart Growth and light rail: Dense Thinkers: The New Urban Planning Nightmare by Randal O'Toole, REASON, January 1999

The Pleasantville Solution - The war on "sprawl" promises "livability" but delivers repression, intolerance--and more traffic.

And any "public meeting demands that this gem be reposted: So, Have You Been Delphi'd?

25 posted on 01/24/2006 5:40:07 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Hiskid; Stilwell; metesky
See post #25.

metesky, thanx for the good links. SG is segregation and death for small towns: it locks out the young and the low income from home ownership. It discourages industry and therefore jobs. It discourages discount retailers and forces people to pay more for goods/food while replacing hundreds of jobs with a few part time jobs available only to the owners of the small retailers. It is the first step towards collectivism.

I hate these control freaks!
26 posted on 01/24/2006 5:49:44 AM PST by reformedliberal (Bless our troops and pray for our nation. I am thankful for both and for Free Republic..)
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The increasing lack of mobility -- children today walk to school less than half of the rate their parents did -- leads to a few astounding statistics.

This has nothing to do with growth, smart or otherwise, and it's not due to lack of mobility.

27 posted on 01/24/2006 7:46:08 AM PST by Rudder
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Four erudite speakers presented a path toward a near-utopian life for Ukiahans -- full of walkable communities, slower traffic and more prominent greenscaping.

Did these "erudite speakers" point out that when you stack citizen fifty stories high it creates an urban high crime killing zone?

28 posted on 01/24/2006 8:53:44 AM PST by RJL
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"Smart Growth"TM: A better name for your Socialist dreams!

(Paid for by the brotherhood of advanced socialist marketers, 2006, all rights reserved)

29 posted on 01/24/2006 9:01:10 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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Did these "erudite speakers" point out that when you stack citizen fifty stories high it creates an urban high crime killing zone?

No no! Haven't you been listening? All you do is ban guns and all violent crime will disappear! Just ask Britain.... Ummm, never mind.

30 posted on 01/24/2006 9:02:51 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: metesky

Bumping your comment.


31 posted on 01/24/2006 9:07:18 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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John Anderson, a developer with the New Urban Builders, discussed how to move the theoretics to on-the-ground creation. He poked fun at typical neighborhood structures with garages facing roads, bland facades and wide streets that eventually lead parents to demand speed bumps to slow traffic.

Ooooh, John is so enlightened! I just hope he is only investing his time and money into his nirvana and not the taxpayers.

No garages facing roads? Is he calling for back yard alleyways? Wouldn’t that mean two roads instead of one? That’s two roads devouring greenery, and two roads that need to be built and maintained.

No wide streets? Where will visitors and the people without garages park? Parking on an already narrow street will make it dangerous.

Here in the cities of Minneapolis & St. Paul a snowfall requires citizens to only park on one side of the street on one day, and the other side the next day so it can be plowed curb to curb. This makes sense, but it’s a pain having to move your car to the other side of the street at the appointed hour. Of course if you make a mistake, the city happily tows your car at a heavy fee and fine which must be paid before you can pick up your car at the impound lot. No doubt there are many thousands of folks who wish they had a nice garage instead of having to park on the narrow streets.

If some fool like John wants to build this nonsense, that’s fine, but don’t force us to pay for it or live in it. If it’s so smart the citizens will vote with their dollars and move to it. The trouble is that liberals love nothing better than ramming their stupidity down our throats with the force of law.

32 posted on 01/24/2006 9:34:19 AM PST by RJL
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